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Talkin’ Points, Duke Recap

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It wasn’t pretty, but the Miami Hurricanes (4-2, 2-1 ACC) defeated the Duke Blue Devils (1-5, 0-3 ACC) at Wade Wallace Stadium in Durham, North Carolina. The victory marks UM’s second ACC road win.

After a slow start on offense in the first quarter, Jacory Harris found Leonard Hankerson who leaped into the end zone for a five-yard score. Later in the second, after a short drive starting in Duke territory, Harris scrambled for a 13-yard TD to put the ‘Canes up 14-3.

In the third quarter, Duke received the kickoff and was quickly put in a 3rd and long situation. Miami zone blitzed, and DT Micanor Regis recorded his third interception of his career, returning it for a 22-yard TD. The Hurricanes took a 21-3 lead.

Duke followed that up with 75-yard drive, cutting into the Miami lead. The touchdown scored on the ensuing drive was Duke’s first on the season in the third quarter.

Miami drove the field and Damien Berry scored from 1-yard out, giving UM a 28-10 edge. They would eventually outlast Duke, beating them by a final score of 28-13.

Harris finished the game 17-of-34 for 224 yards, throwing and running for a score. Harris moved into a tie with Gino Torretta for fourth place for career TD passes. He needs just two more to move past Vinny Testaverde and Steve Walsh for sole possession of second place all-time in school history in TD passes.

Berry compiled 111 yards on 25 carries and a touchdown. This was Berry’s third consecutive 100-yard rushing game and joins Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Frank Gore to accomplish the feat. Mike James added 8 rushes for 84 yards. Hankerson had six catches for 80 yards and touchdown and Travis Benjamin had three catches for 67 yards.

The story of this game was the seven turnovers the ‘Canes caused on defense: five INTs and two fumbles. Vaughn Telemaque had a pair of picks, with Ryan Hill, Micanor Regis, and DeMarcus Van Dyke joining the party.

Sean Spence had 12 tackles and a fumble recovery, with Hill collecting 10 stops and Regis with 9. Freshman MLB Kelvin Cain played an outstanding game, amassing nine tackles and a forced fumble in his first career start.

The defense, which leads the nation in tackles for loss with 9.5 per game, tallied nine more yesterday. The offense racked up 448 total yards, evenly split with 224 yards passing and running, accompanied by 22 first downs.

Duke was able muster 292 total yards. Duke’s QB Sean Renfree was 18-of-38 for 157 yards.

Talkin’ Points

There was a lot more positive to take away from this game, even though all of us expected a bigger margin of victory. The main thing is Miami won a conference game, on the road, that gets that big, fat, ugly FSU monkey off our backs. Now that UM has put that result firmly behind them and got into the win column yesterday, hopefully this team will circle the wagons and rally around itself.

There are still plenty of things to clean and firm up, but when is a win really a win?

Kelvin Cain looked great. The defense as a whole played much better. Damien Berry continues to run hard. Mike James looked tough. Asante Cleveland looked good catching the ball. Ryan Hill and his secondary teammates looked impressive. Jacory Harris settled down in the second half.

There’s plenty to build on. But the Hurricanes better do it in a hurry, because a talented, well-coached North Carolina Tar Heels come calling next Saturday night.

So let’s ask ourselves a few questions in the wake of this victory.

1) I know most of us wanted to see Miami pile on Duke, but after the Florida St. game, did you really expect UM to come out pumped and excited to play Duke?

2) Does this victory instill any more confidence in Randy Shannon and the direction of the program, or are you still taking a wait and see attitude?

3) Is Kelvin Cain the future at MLB? Did he play well enough to start versus North Carolina?

4) How much confidence do you have in the defense to keep the team in games while the offense might struggle?

5) How confident are you that Miami will beat North Carolina?

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  1. uno

  2. If it were my team, this would be “run the stadium Sunday followed bu gassers” for everyone who drew a penalty…..if we don’t focus on every play, and make stupid mistakes, we will have a rough time the remainder of the season…besides that, a win is a win….poooooor floridaaaaaaaaa, three losses in a row….boy can the Urban coach!

  3. Calvin says:
    October 17, 2010 at 9:21 AM
    The type of offense we need to run against unc is the same offense we ran against oklahoma last year. whipple needs help and seems to not be wanting it because he has other aspirations. Here’s the real deal, jacory put up more points against duke as a true freshman in patrick nix’s offense than he has in whipples offense, how is that possible when the players are more mature now.

    Might as well post the proof!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkjKeqSZMzE

    Calvin says:
    October 17, 2010 at 9:54 AM
    cav, your man gene chizik has auburn rolling over their on offense and somewhere, oscar cryer is trying to figure out how to say he was the one who actually threw the lab took out the window, not cam, so he came come back and run his offense

  4. And Alabama’s offense struggled against Ole miss (which is kinda like their duke, maybe a slight upgrade).

    Winning is good and that makes me happy. Focus definitely needs to be there next week. Get those demons out of your heads and replace them with angels and positive thinking!!

    Go Canes!!!!!!!!

  5. Shwarm good points in ur post.

    Execution and discipline on offense are everything. When you don’t have either u have the canes o all day long..

    UNC week. They are playing good no excuses football as usual and will be a load to handle.

    Good we get them at home. It’s time.

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  6. avatar
    pb(EOTHROH10) says:

    Reality is college football has become week to week survival.

  7. 1) Nope. I did not expect a blow out of Duke. My prediction a couple of blogs ago was a 27 – 10 Canes victory.

    2) I don’t have any more or any less confidence in this team after watching this game, so it’s a wait & see attitude for me. Every team has to go though some kind of adversity… I want to see how this team responds. Will they regroup and finish strong (and I mean win out… even if there are ugly wins involved) or will this team lay another egg ala FSU game.

    3) All signs point to Kelvin Cain as heir apparent at MLB. I have no idea if he is ready to start versus North Carolina since all we have is what he did against Duke and well… Duke is Duke.

    4) I feel fairly confident our defense can keep our team in games… the question is how badly will the offense struggle? We can’t win games if guys like Hank are dropping balls and Berry’s putting the ball on the ground. If we can’t score points we’re not going to win. Period. That said… I LOVE watching the replay of Regis’ pick six. HILARIOUSLY AWESOME!!

    5) I’ll be there to watch it. Let’s go, Canes… time to show me! :)

  8. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    pb(EOTHROH10)
    October 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM
    “Reality is college football has become week to week survival.”
    That’s for darn sure…in the end U take a victory any way U can get it…the win vs duke wasn’t pretty by any stretch BUT it was a W…

  9. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Btw a quick point about “leadership”….DBerry is one of the unquestionable leaders on this team both emotionally and by his play for the most part, BUT, and I’m not down on him, BUT two weeks in a row he’s turn the ball over in critical spots that cost UM points…leaders can’t do that….just shows me u can be a rah rah guy all U want BUT show mr more by ur performance in critical time of a game!

  10. avatar
    Hurricane Randy says:

    The thing that pisses Urban Meyer off the most is that his initials are UM. LOL

  11. avatar
    pb(EOTHROH10) says:

    When I look back at the game the reality is once again, FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN EXECUTION, we missed on at least three touchdowns.

    Simple, basic, fundamental throw and catch plays.

    That is the most infuriating part of this team. This week it can’t be put on the coaches. How many dropped balls, fumbles, overthrows and missed blocks can one team have.

    If I hear one more “leadership” rant I am going to scream. Want to lead? Catch the f-ing ball! Want to be an example? Don’t line up offside on THREE consecutive plays. Want your team mate to run through a brick wall for you? Don’t fumble against freaking DUKE!

    If at this level, Randy needs to get in your grill about focus and effort, you need to transfer to FIU.

  12. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer
    October 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM
    Disgusted with what I’ve seen from our offense this year, the lack of consistency, rhythm, and tactical advantage, formations and overall predictability, EVEN IN THE WINS, I decided to research the two prominent schools of passing attacks of the modern era…

    1) Bill Walsh’s West Coast offense- Controlled, short-range passes base on precise routes, timing, passes and WR-QB adjustments, which runs first and passes second…..

    Supposedly this is what Whipple learned or studied at Philly with Andy Reid. I have yet to see anything that resembles a West Coast offense from Whipple. What I have seen is this.

    2) Air Coryell- Medium to long range passes where the QB reads the deep route first then comes back successively to the short route. The motto of this style is pass-first, deep pass often, and take chances. It’s a high risk, high reward system that relies on high level execution from the entire offense. The QB and WRs must read and adjust to the defense on almost every play and the OL must hold blocks for five and seven step drops. The OC must also be constantly identifying and attacking the weaknesses in a defense and forcing them to adjust to the offense. (Coryell was the unknown genius of our modern game. He created the I-Formation at USC, in addition to all the passing innovations he later implemented at San Diego St. and at the Chargers, which are now commonplace at every level of football.)

    This, with some important variations, is what Mike Martz, Joe Gibbs, Eernie Zampese and John Madden ran. Gibbs, Zampese and Madden were Coryell assistants. Martz learned it from Zampese and spent time in San Diego. In an interesting twist of fate, Faulk went to SDSU and didn’t become a premier back until he came to the Rams under Martz.

    Since I remember that 1999-200` Rams offense the best, especially the ’99 season, I’ll focus on that team, in particular the ’99 playoff game against the Vikings. Someone posted the entire game so it was great analytical material.

    Specimen #1…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv80n9_9k3E&feature=related.

    This is the Rams first PLAY. It opens with an I-Formation, 1 TE on the right and 2 WRs split on the same side to the QB’s left. What’s so significant about this? The defense doesn’t know if they’re running or passing, so they can’t prepare. They have to either blitz or stay in their base defense, which is exactly what Martz wants them to do.

    Warner play-fakes the hand-off to Faulk, which freezes the LBs and saefties for a split second. The TE runs a ten yard curl. This, combined with the play-fake freezes and occupies the SS. The OLB blitzes and Faulk is in perfect position to pick up the blitz. The FB runs a route underneath the LBs in case everything breaks down.

    Now the play boils down to a double-post route by the two WRs running against 2 CBs and 1 safety playing over the top. The CBs play tight, almost press coverage but the WRs run right through them, forcing the safety to choose one or the other to try to cover. Whichever one he chooses Warner will throw to the other. In this case, both are open and Warner throws an easy 25 yard strike to a wide-open Isaac Bruce who runs the next 50 yards for a TD.

    There was nothing difficult about the execution of any part of the play, neither the pass, the routes or the blocking. Warner had multiple options and plenty of pass protection.

    The difficult part was the vision behind the PLAYCALL ITSELF. That’s what requires the skill. That’s why the Vikings spent 8 minutes to get a FG, running the ball, and passing to the outside and sidelines, never attacking the middle, even though their WRs are arguably as talented as the Rams…this was when Carter and Moss were in their prime and coming off the record setting season the year before. But Minnesota’s philosophy was power running and long ball passing.

    As the 1st half progresses, and after another long TD, this time on a short wheel-route to Faulk, Minnesota adjusts and no longer plays tight coverage on the WRs. Martz and Warner also get a little long-ball happy and toss an INT and fail on a 3rd down conversion with a dropped easy pass. So in the 2nd half they come out and run the ball from a variety of formations that could be pass or run….split-backfield, I-formation, staggered I, 1 RB and others… They also did more short, 3-step drop passing to the RBs, TEs and WRs on crossing routes and the occasional slant.

    Warner rarely threw from an empty backfield but when he did, the play usually began with two RBs in the backfield with one going in motion, then another going in motion just before the snap, always giving the defense something else to think about, plan for and react to. And on these plays Warner always had a safety valve.

    Whipple has copied some aspects of the Air Coryell system, such as throwing on 1st down, and occasionally using play-action but the one thing he does on a regular basis is give the defense a crystal clear idea of the upcoming play by his formations. He uses the shotgun far too much and too quickly. I would bet this was his formation of choice at UMass.

    Martz, by contrast, rarely used the shotgun, at least with this team that year, and had a RB in the backfield with Warner 90% of the time with him under center. He would run and pass out of these formations, so the defense could never tee-off. This was the key to the Greatest Show on Turf. ALWAYS KEEPING THE DEFENSE OFF-BALANCE AND REACTING.

    Of course Marshall Faulk, Warner and the speed at WR was what made them so very lethal but the underlying principles can be applied to all levels of football.

    Whipple also gambles with his long-ball, low percentage routes and passes far too often given the lack of surprise he has over the defense. By the middle of the season last year DC’s had figured out that J12 and Whipple were going to throw long and do it often, whether or not the defense could see it coming. Actually by the OU game DCs saw it coming and game-planned accordingly.

    This year the trend has continued and worsened except for the few occasions that he actually has a defense off-balance. This has occurred once a game for the last four games.

    If this team is going to win out or at least play well in all games, the offense absolutely MUST become more diversified in formation and attack. Whipple must use the entire field and call plays that do not give J12 a deep read but keep the ball moving down the field mixing run and pass on successive plays, from different formations, all with the ability to run or pass out of that formation.

    Long-balls are by nature low percentage plays, even moreso with a finesse arm QB. Whipple has taken the attitude that long-ball or bust is okay and continues to call plays that give J12 that option. This lack of discipline and variety stalls the offense, frustrates QB-WR, demands too much of the OL, and exposes J12 to a great deal of unnecessary pounding which continues to leave him injured and hobbling.

    And most importantly, because he has not established any rhythm with run-pass mixing on all but a handful of plays, THE DEFENSE USUALLY HAS A VERY GOOD IDEA WHAT’S COMING.

    Furthermore, it seems like J12 never makes audibles at the LOS. With this offense, esp at the college level and higher, audibles and adjustments are imperative.

    And all this talk of discipline and execution are fine but as Calvin pointed out, how does Patrick Nix drop 47 on Duke with true frosh and Whipple can barely eek out ONE non-defense-assisted TD with juniors and seniors???

    The difference is the Duke defense, like every other defense we’ll face this year, KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT BEFORE THE BALL IS SNAPPED.

    Until proven otherwise, and especially compared to the defense’s NIGHT AND DAY improvement, Whipple is a fake.

  13. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Calvin
    October 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM
    Here is what has to be understood about this offense that whipple is running. 1st, if you have an inexperienced o-line, and this o-line has not be playing great, but they have been holding up, than you must help your o-line out by calling plays that give defenses more to think about. On our passing plays, most of the time the d-linemen do not have to check the runningback 1st, they just go straight for jacory. Next, the spacing on offense on most plays are piss poor when it comes to route running.

    On the right side of the duke’s defense, their db often times played at least 10 yards off the receiver and started back pedaling at the snap of the ball, where is the check off to the out route, instead our receiver runs a slant straight towards the linebacker and losses space, although the ball was not going to that side irreagardless.

    We all want to see the deep ball, but often times, it’s not set up properly, and whipple has the same problem that nix had, they run their plays from the wrong formations, to many times their play-call formations invite to many defenders inside of the box, and no way aldarius has gotten worse , if i’m a receiver and i’m not getting the ball, that would make it hard to stay motivated as well.

    esteban pointed out something about aldarius, when he said “i’m tired of seeing aldarius get beat on blocks on wide receiver screens” and that’s my point right their, why are we throwing wide receiver screens to the side of a receiver that’s not quick enuff to engage his db on those wide receiver screen plays. Let laron byrd do that, that’s his strength, when you go back and look at why his shuttle time is quick, he gets a great jump off the line of scrimmage, so those type plays need to be run with the right personel lined up side by side.

    If you notice on offense we don’t rotate alot of guys in and out because the philosophy is, all the receivers should be able to do the same thing and that’s just not realistic on no football team. That’s like asking oj mcduffie to go and bomb somebody, he was just never going to blaze past anybody but almost everything 15 yards and under, he would kill teams all game long.

    In fact, aldarius has been real productive on wide receiver screen plays when he catches the ball, but he doesn’t get any of those thrown to him. This offense that whipple runs misses thearon collier, because he was a real good slot receiver, and without a real solid slot guy, this offense is suffering. There is no reason all the receivers that play shouldn’t at leat touch the ball. I watch the formation of the plays whipple calls and than it’s the timing of when he calls the plays. That quick slant over the middle to aldarius johnson for instance was called on 3rd and 12 or something, that’s the play you want to run on 2nd down, whipple often times does a horrible job calling plays on 1st and 2nd down.

    Than in the redzone, if you don’t have a power formation, your redzone percentages are going to be real low. For those of you who might be reading this, ask yourself this question, how many wide receiver fade routes have you seen this year that we’ve thrown in the redzone, to laron byrd, hank or aldarius. Even coach nix had a decent redzone offense. At the end of the day though, you can see why both nix and whipple were never really oc’s at most places they’ve been to scattered brain.

    I don’t want mike martz, he’s the same arrogant type guy that does get qb’s killed, and these guys on this team are in the learning phase, it’s college football, and just like any team, you’re not going to win all the match-ups, so you have to call plays accordingly. This offense hasn’t been in a good rythm since who knows when, but we definitely can not win against fundamentally sound offensive teams playing offense and special teams the way we do. We don’t have any toss sweeps, that stretch running play is one of the most ridiculous running plays in the whipple play book. Especially against faster defenses, it just invites safties and everybody to come on up before the ball is even handed off.

    I can see if he’s calling that stretch running play and has a receiver coming around with the threat of a reverse, but that play is to easy to stop, that’s not about execution, that’s bad play calling.
    Some seem to forget how jacory made nix offense look good, but all of a sudden, he’s making whipples offense look bad, lol. For jacory and whipple to not even talk between series tells me all i need to know about whipple and his coaching ability, what oc does that, him and his qb doesn’t talk with just 21 points to show after 7 turn-overs, lol.

  14. pb(EOTHROH10) says:
    October 17, 2010 at 11:46 AM
    When I look back at the game the reality is once again, FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN EXECUTION, we missed on at least three touchdowns.

    ^^^^^ There it is ^^^^^

  15. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Cal, you made a good point about them demanding every WR be able to do everything being a little stupid, maybe a lot. KT and TB are never going to be great blockers. AJ is never going to be a burner.
    But I’ll be damned if Streeter and KT can’t get in and be effective in certain situations, ditto Davon.

    They’re expecting the personnel to disguise the play when it should be THE FORMATION and the precedent that disguises the play.

    I like to think Whipple will look at the last four games and see a very disturbing trend but I don’t think he will.

    So it’s going to be on Shannon and I honestly don’t know what to expect from him at this point.

  16. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    PB, then why has the defense been able to EXECUTE SO DAMN WELL???

    Last year the defense got abused and pushed around. This year, except for FSU, they’ve been abusing and pushing around. We lead the nation in tackles for loss, and are near the top in sacks and INTs.

    So what happened in one year???

    Whipple was supposedly this gifted offensive mind, a former HC, worked in the NFL. Are you trying to say that LOVETT KNOWS HOW TO MAKE KIDS EXECUTE BUT WHIPPLE JUST CAN’T FIGURE IT OUT????

    That’s bullshyt, bro, especially when you see how well the players execute when the defense actually doesn’t know what’s coming.

    Hell, even the 2001 team constantly used levels of disguise, the main one being play-action and running and passing on successive downs, so that the defense still had to react.

  17. I’m still confident in randy, the defensive side of the ball is playing alot more solid, we’re not dominant right now, but solid, and like bobby b said, we’re only about a player or 2 away from being a dominant defense again. If we can get kelvin cain to play like he did yesterday against unc, and move cmac back to his natural linebacking spot, our defense should be better, cmac is just not a middle linebacker. ryan hill being inserted into the secondary has brought back more physicality back their. The secondary is easy for him, that’s where he should’ve been all along. He’ll grade out well at the combine too, big corner, with excellent speed with real game film to go with it.

    Just wondering how things would’ve been had ryan hill played against osu. I got faith in randy, he only really needs to make 1 or 2 more moves, and this program will back to competing for national championships on a regular basis. All shannon has tto start doing now, a guy jumps offside, or false starts, snatch them out the game for a few series or so.

    I do know this much, we don’t have as much quality depth as it might seem, the seniors are decent but not necessarily stars. What shannon has to do now is get that quality depth behind spence and those guys, that’s why this year is important and guys are being broke in to play early now. When we look at the seniors on this team, they are good athletes and may very well began to excel in the pro’s a guy like allen bailey can only get better, dvd has a chance but he’s going to have to be more physical, we all know brandon harris has what it takes to at least get in the 1st round either this year or next. orlando franklin, if he stays consistent might see the 2nd round. ryan hill should’ve been in the secondary along time ago, so after that, the good news is, on the front line we got guys like forston and vaughn telemaque who may actually be here for 2 more years, than spence is a senior come next yer, this is the stretch where the young guys are going to start seeing playing time.

    I like the direction of this program and we’re going to be a strong/solid team, come next year we’re going to have a strong senior class, and the guys backing them up like brandon mcgee, ray ray, the d-line depth, guys like porter, how will luther robinson began to emerge, jeremy lewis, guys like tyrone cornelius and travis william and latwan anderson, devonta dais, these guys will get more than enuff playing time soon enuff and when i see guys like devonta(if it’s true crying about playing time) when they set foot on that field, we’ll see if they’re all talk.

    I like us redshirting devonta davis, that guy would’ve messed around and been going the dvd route, instead, he’ll have a year under swasey, and be able to have confidence out their with his strength and weight being up and that’ll help prevent injury. latwan anderson just came in so late, no need in having him waste time out their, the thing i wished was that on those interceptions besides regis, had the other guys returned the ball a lil bit, that would’ve helped their passing yards against stats. Give mcgriff credit though, i wanted to see where we were as a secondary, and we’re not that bad, so we have to give credit to mcgriff for that, we can win with him on his staff, i’m confident now enuff in what he’s doing, although i like more aggression, our db’s don’t check run enuff in my book, but as long as teams are not going to be pass happy on us.

    If kelvin cain can be spences running mate out their, and than cmac can slide back into the other lineback spot, that’ll give us a nice linebacking crew, cain has good play recognition. Besides giving up all those yards rushing to fsu, i do know that josh holmes would’ve made a difference, when we had ponder in 3rd and long, the only play they ran was that misdirection, drag the tight-end across play. Had we had more zone blitzes with the defensive ends, i would’ve confused ponder even more, he’s never torched our secondary with his passing.

    I will say this to, we get fluzzi out of here, we need another tuff coach on this squad, i’m not so sure if soldinger would think it would be an insult to be hired as the special teams/tight-ends coach, but just having him and his football knowledge on staff would go along way in helping shannon, and soldinger would make a better oc than whipple, whipple doesn’t seem to understand down and distance, and why is whipple the only oc who seems to have all these pages that he keeps flippin thru, that’s a psychological sign that he’s being out coached and searching for something that works constantly.

  18. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    And all y’all talking about Bama and UF, those systems have actually PROVEN something.

    I can’t believe y’all are actually talking about Ole Miss being comparable to Duke. Did anyone notice the score of the Bama-Duke game??

    62

    13

    And Bama’s defense only had ONE TURNOVER.

    That means Bama ran and passed the ball down Duke’s throat from the 1st Q til the last. And it was AT DUKE.

    So, our defense played at an elite level but our offense played on the same level as Duke, arguably worse.

    Don’t believe me? Look at the stat sheets. We had 22 1st downs. Duke had 22 1st downs. And it goes on and on.

    I guess those Duke players just know how to execute so well. Bullshyt.

  19. avatar
    Hurricane Randy says:

    pb

    U are right about survival from week to week, what 8 or 9 top twenty five teams lost on Saturday and some had near misses (FSU) among others and Boise continues their dominance over teams ranked in the bottom third of college football. Play somebody….every week

    Damien Berry now on exclusive list, J12 two td passes away from being what second/first on a very exclusive list. Miconor Regis was the game highlight and Kelvin Cain looked awesome, hope he continues to mature and grow into the position, if he does, so much for the star whores of the blogosphere.

    LMAO Ponder throws three picks, has a pick six by BC called back and a fourth turnover by a fumble, all which led to 13 BC points. The best Herbie has seen all year. What say U now Herbie? FSU is ordinary and all the beating of FSU war drums is premature.

  20. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Cal, the defense is right where they should be. But the reason I worry about Shannon is cause I don’t know how he can stomach this shyt from the offense. At the end of the day Whipple doesn’t seem to give a fuk and Shannon’s the one who’s paying the price.

    I mean, make those mofos run til they puke for every off-sides. Maybe he does this. I don’t know but this shyt is ridiculous. With Whipple’s schizo playcalling we cannot afford mental mistakes like that.

    I also don’t know how he can think the intensity they showed out there was tolerable. And he’s actually fallen into talking about how hard it is to play at Duke. WTF????Where is the Boss mentality?? Has he been flattened by the rebuilding process?

    You remember that play by Epps against A&M when he actually showed his passion on the sideline. Where did that go??

  21. avatar
    Hurricane Randy says:

    Comparing scores and stats is a very inexact science since each game is different and presents different situations. Bama is an elite program right now. It would be a fairer evaluation to take a Bama team in rebuilding stages comparable to where the U is now.

    This team isn’t there yet and don’t know with the current regime if it ever will get over the hump. This Saturday is the Bell Weather game for RS and staff.

    Can the U prevail, yes…will they…..? UNC is better than many of U are giving them credit for, this is the biggest and toughest game for the U right now. Va. Tech if we take care of business will then be for the Coastal division.

    LMAO Gators , my favorite number right now is THREE!!!!!

  22. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Randy, Kelvin Cain is legit. He’s only going to get better. Yur boy Nelson’s got his work cut out for him but I think he’ll enjoy the competition.

  23. Cav

    Do you really think Alabama threw out a “scheme” to drop 60+ on Duke?

    Its not whipple. Game after game after game there are kids not doing their job.

    Is that Shannon? Is that Hill or Stout or panunzio? Whipple is the guy paid to run the car. The assistants are the mechanics paid to get the parts ready…

    I see missed blocks, droped balls and some more poor decisions by the QB. You want to blame the QB coach, ok? But I watch as much football as anyone I know and while Jacory makes his share of bad plays im starting to see that his decisons are all that more off than most college QB’s.

    He’s not on that elite list of QB’s…there are elite Qb’s that have QB coaches that don’t have a string of elite QB’s…there are QB coaches have a record of elite QB’s that don’t have an el;ite QB now.

    So what’s the solution?

    You cant run an offense without a consistent group of players. These kids aren’t consistent.

    It ain’t the playcalling…and you’ve never had a truly disciplined team here at Miami. This one is a lot less in that category, so again…what’s the answer.

    Anything other that Whipple whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple Whipple

    and Whipple

  24. And my point is, no matter what string of plays are called…no matter what order the offense is run under, there always seems to be a breakdown from someone.

    So how do you scheme around that? What facet do you count on to execute consistently?

  25. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Cav herbie said he wasn’t at the fsu game yesterday..lol

  26. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Randy, UNC is much easier to defend than Duke. They really are. They don’t do nearly as much. We stuff the run and we stuff them. They’re bigger and stronger than Duke but significantly more conservative. They run a good playaction but their WRs have decent speed, not dangerous. Their playcalling is good though. Not special but good.

    I’m worried about our offense, and it’s not because UNC’s defense is so incredible. They’re well-prepared but if Whipple would actually put our players in positions where they can thrive, we’d beat them off the field.

    I’m also worried that Shannon is now being forced to accept the offense’s mediocrity. Yes, mediocrity. I don’t know. He said “We have along way to go” after the Duke game. But that’s what he said last year after UVA.

    WTF?? ARE WE THERE YET? lol ARE WE CLOSE TO THERE YET? lol

  27. avatar
    Hurricane Randy says:

    One thing I haven’t read here is speculation as to what the game plans were for second teamers and others. The score kept some of them from playing I would suspect. We did see Cleveland and he caught what was thrown his way…so? Gordon is better than Chase Ford. We should see more of Asante Cleveland, I hope.

    I believe the score kept some things from happening concerning playing time.

  28. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    http://theufootball.com/

    Interviews….post-Duke.

  29. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Pb said ” I hear one more “leadership” rant I am going to scream. Want to lead? Catch the f-ing ball! Want to be an example? Don’t line up offside on THREE consecutive plays. Want your team mate to run through a brick wall for you? Don’t fumble against freaking DUKE!”

    That’s all I was trying to say in my earlier post!

  30. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM
    And my point is, no matter what string of plays are called…no matter what order the offense is run under, there always seems to be a breakdown from someone.

    So how do you scheme around that? What facet do you count on to execute consistently?

    >>>>>>>>>>>

    Truth it’s called practice. Why is it that Lovett can turn around the defense, I mean a 180, but the offense is actually WORSE this year than last year???

    Why is that??

  31. avatar
    Hurricane Randy says:

    Nelson got his bell rung (Concussion) and that has set him back…. I strongly believe he will be on the field, he is too smart and athletically gifted to keep him on the sidelines.

    He will be a player and definitely in the mix, bet on it!!!

  32. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    And all this talk about five yard penalties against Duke is ridiculous. That shyt shouldn’t even casue the bat of an eyelash.

    Come on y’all. The only reason it’s magnified is because the offense is struggling so mightily to connect the dots as a whole.

    And if the kids are not executing that reflects directly back on their Boss, just like an division of a company or any unit in an army.

  33. 1) I know most of us wanted to see Miami pile on Duke, but after the Florida St. game, did you really expect UM to come out pumped and excited to play Duke? HELL YES!

    2) Does this victory instill any more confidence in Randy Shannon and the direction of the program, or are you still taking a wait and see attitude? NO. SHOW ME.

    3) Is Kelvin Cain the future at MLB? Did he play well enough to start versus North Carolina? IDK.

    4) How much confidence do you have in the defense to keep the team in games while the offense might struggle? IDK.

    5) How confident are you that Miami will beat North Carolina? At the moment, I hate to say this but not very confident.

  34. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Randy, I didn’t know that about Nelson. I think Truth may have alluded to it though.

    Yeah, I think he’ll be solid. Cleveland looked better than Gordon and Ford. He looks natural and fluid.

  35. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    BG, I agree with all your points except for Cain. Duke’s a much more complicate offense to defend than UNC’s. I think he’ll be fine against UNC. His closing speed is fantastic. When was the last time we had a Mike who could close in space and force a fumble??? 2003.

    The defense should be fine against UNC. This is Whipple’s time to earn his fukin money and stop riding on the defense’s coattails. UNC’s offense doesn’t take as many chances as Cutliffe’s so there shouldn’t be as many turnovers.

    The offense is going to have to outscheme and out-execute UNC. They should be able to but One-Drive-Whipple showed me NOTHING against Duke.

  36. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    BG, actually, #2 really isn’t the right question cause one half of the team is playing well. It’s the other half that instills zero confidence……

    How much of that rests with Shannon is the question…

    Maybe Truth can give us some insight on this…..

  37. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Calvin, here’s a little piece on Martz. from this year…..It addresses your point about getting his QB killed…

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Martz cut his NFL coaching teeth on Coryell’s offense as a rookie assistant for Zampese with the Rams in 1992 and coached quarterbacks for Gibbs in Washington in 1997 and ’98.

    Martz probably has stayed more true to Air Coryell than the others. Among the trademarks of Martz’s offense are his prolific passing and the stress he puts on his quarterback, who has to be highly intelligent and able to withstand more physical punishment than in other schemes.

    “He certainly has that (Coryell) mentality,” said Dom Capers, the Packers’ defensive coordinator. “That’s why you see all those big-yardage games and points. He keeps his foot on the gas.”

    Martz doesn’t have the receiving talent in Chicago that he did in St. Louis, where Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce were first- and second-round picks, respectively. But he has the pure speed he covets for stretching the field with Johnny Knox and Devin Hester — Knox ran the 40-yard dash in 4.34 seconds at the NFL scouting combine in 2009, and Hester ran 4.27 seconds on campus in ’06 after running 4.41 seconds at the combine.

    But because of the down-field emphasis and long-to-short progression reads, Martz’s quarterbacks hold the ball a little longer than in other offenses, and thus get beaten up by excessive hits. Also, as the zone blitz has become more prominent beginning in the early ’90s, most offensive coaches have looked for ways to keep in extra blockers to protect their quarterback. Martz went the other way and prefers sending out as many receivers as he can in hopes of striking big.

    But that requires a quarterback to stand in and take a hit, which has been one of the biggest complaints about Martz, that his quarterbacks get too beat up. In Detroit and then San Francisco, his offenses led the league in sacks allowed all three years. In St. Louis, Marc Bulger was sacked 116 times in 44 starts under Martz, which works out to an average of 42 sacks over a 16-game season. Bulger’s career was derailed by a series of shoulder injuries under Martz and then head injuries thereafter.

    Last week, though, there was at least a hint that Martz is changing his thinking, perhaps with some influence from Mike Tice, the Bears’ new offensive line coach. Dallas blitzed Cutler extensively early in that game, and Martz went to more three-step drops and quicker throws. One of those plays was a hot read to tight end Greg Olsen, who turned the short completion into a 39-yard touchdown. Cutler was sacked only once.

    “They obviously shortened up their steps with the more controlled passing game,” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said this week.

    That’s one thing you never would have heard about a Mike Martz offense a couple years ago

  38. I don’t have a problem with whipple being aggressive, like nix i got a problem with their predictable formations. whipple’s plays may actually work if he runs them from the right formation, it’ll be hard for jacory to become a better decision maker when whipple is throwing all these ridiculous formations, i don’t care who the qb is, and whether jacory was putting up stats or not, these offensive formations are killing this offense and in year 2, defenses have a better idea of what whipple ball is all about.

    aubrey may definitely need to roll out if he can’t get better production from this group. hankerson working out with mark duper has increased his ablity, hankerson was always a good route runner and got open, it was just him catching the ball. By the way, chase ford needs to redshirt, did/does he even lift any weights since he’s been here. asante cleveland, take his spot dawg, he doesn’t want to get open or catch anything either.

    When i’m sitting at home and i can tell if it’s run or pass over 95% of the time, that’s a sign that a guy who’s getting paid to do that is going to have some success shutting that down. The only time this offense works is when most teams pin us down at the goal line, and we’re forced to have a runningback in the backfield, and since the defense is thinking run, when we play-action out of that, it works. What’s the reason it works, simply put, the formation and the threat of the run and defensive coordinators are always going to play the percentages for the most part and look run 1st.

    Than after we get out of that situation, we go right back to suspect play-calls and the bull-crap formations and the inconsistency begans. When we play unc, let’s see how many different formations they run their offense out of, and watch how it forces are defense to be able to read and react.

    We’re not a balanced attacking offense, i don’t see us getting mismatches, or forcing the other teams safety to cover 1 of our wideouts, etc. etc. Alot of bad design play calls. It’s not about calling plays, it’s about calling the right play at the right time, we call a play-action pass to get off of the goal ine, ok, big deal are we going to build off of that momentum or are we going to come out and run the ball on very next play because the thinking is, we just bombed them so they’re going to guard against the pass now.

  39. I know it’s early but remember when fans got so pissed that Randy recruiteda 2-Star recruit that only had offers from Frenso State and San Jose State?

    Kelvin Cain has been busting his ass off since camp and it’s showing. We need more guys like him. Stars mean jack when you get here. Just ask Arthur Brown.

    Great game by 94.

  40. Hey Captain, it’s not a mountain to climb. How about reframing that statement and saying that UM might have a couple of options at MLB for the next few years? OLB Gaines is going to be a stud, too. The LB corp has some talent, but most of it young. It’ll get better.

    pb, you are absolutely correct in your statement that college football is a game a attrition week to week. That’s what its become.

    I’m starting to believe Truth. Our guys need to execute the plays called. There would be a lot less moaning about things if they caught the ball, held their blocks, and Jacory wasn’t constantly throwing into double coverage.

  41. Hurricane Randy, say it again about those star gazers. And good one about oscar creyer and his 3 lost in a row team, now people can see why he was trying to get out of gainesville, lol.

    cav, if it’s not whipple, than how can this be explained on the 1st highlight/play. Against a better defense, this play would’ve gotten blitzed and that man would’ve been covered to a degree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Peb4Au430Dc

  42. 1) For some reason we always play Duke tight. I wasn’t expeting 70-0 but I would’ve liked us to finish off some drives. Left too many points on the field.

    2) I think the win showed that we put FSU behind us. It didn’t look that way early for the Offense but they came around in the 2nd half.

    3) I hope he is. It’s too early to tell but he looked good. He’ll definetely get more playing time vs. UNC.

    4) The way we’ve been able to create turnovers I really do have confidence that our defense can give Jacory good field position.

    5) I’m pretty confident we can beat them. 2 reasons: Our offence is a bit better than theirs and our D is alot better than theirs.

  43. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    MM01, he’ll just have more competition than anyone thought but as I said, I think he’ll thrive with it and we’ll have bosses all over the LB and DB units.
    Cain, Nelson, Williams, Cornelius, Buchanon, Spence, maybe even Holton. We’ll be solid.

    I’m actually a little worried about the DTs.

  44. cav, than the third play of those same highlight, what do we get again, empty backfield, jacory under center, lol, we might have to give jeff stoutland a lil more credit, this playing calling is putting more unecessary stress on the o-linemen.

  45. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Miami’s 448 yards of total offense were a season-high and the ‘Canes’ most since 496 yards against Duke last season. Yet they managed just 21 points on offense against the Blue Devils, who came in ranked 115th in the nation in scoring defense at 39.8 points per game.

  46. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Calvin
    October 17, 2010 at 1:00 PM
    cav, than the third play of those same highlight, what do we get again, empty backfield, jacory under center, lol, we might have to give jeff stoutland a lil more credit, this playing calling is putting more unecessary stress on the o-linemen.

    >>>>>>>>>

    Cal, that’s what I’ve been screaming for the last five weeks. lol

    People on here talking about a five yard off-sides penalty as being a sign that the players aren’t executing.

    That shyt from Whipple is the most boneheaded playcall I’ve ever seen. That’s beyond not executing. That’s willful wrongdoing.

    Why would any OC with any intelligence or even concern for his QB’s health call that stupid shyt?? Over and over at that??

  47. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Enjoy the dolphin game…watch green bay. That’s basically our offense.

    Let’s see if the OC calls them in a good enough order

  48. avatar
    The Truth says:

    It’s a 3 step drop. The ball is to be out of there in less than 2 seconds.

    It’s not that difficult to block for less than two seconds.

    It also stretches the D to give the WR’s to catch the ball in space.

    It’s about execution.

  49. Gaines and Nicole in the elevator last night after they got back to the school……he was not in a good mood!

  50. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Cav

    Because Defense is about getting after it and plugging a spot.

    Offense is about execution and changing on the fly. There’s absolutely zero comparison between coaching D and O.

    Shannon himself said as much in an interview during the week when asked about the hardest position to play….

  51. But when do we run 3 step drops, jacory did do that in patrick nix offense, in whipples offense is all predicated around the 5 step drops, to hell with all that working on footwork crap, jacory hasn’t improved in his play fakes, you know things that can be taught, or his audibles/cadence to draw defenses off sides, again things that can be improved upon with better coaching.

    cav, those defensive offsides penalties had nothing to do with the offense as you pointed out, that’s about the 1st time in a long time we had defensive penalties like that, at the end of the day, the oc has to be the one that’s goign to force what the offensive strengths of his offense is going to be, and if an oc is constantly going empty backfield qb under center, as cav has said, that’s willful wrong doing and maybe whipple and jacory don’t get along that much that they don’t talk to each other between series, but that is ridiculous in itself.

  52. Why was gained not in a good mood, because he didn’t play that much or something or because he migth be a redshirt candidate, either way, alot of these guys are seeming like they are not in good moods right now. ALot of the young guns, but hey, work harder and you’ll definitely be playing on defense. In fact, i would put gaines in against fsu with all that running they did. I’m just surprisd we just didn’t run blitz and force fsu you beat us with the pass.

  53. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM
    It’s a 3 step drop. The ball is to be out of there in less than 2 seconds.

    It’s not that difficult to block for less than two seconds.

    It also stretches the D to give the WR’s to catch the ball in space.

    It’s about execution.

    >>>>>>>

    Truth, but if I’m a CB, LB or DL and I see that I’m going to automatically play the short route, and heaven forbid a blitz is called.

    And that’s my point. Why call it when your OL is suspect in pass protection in the first place? No RB and you’re under center, no motion, no nothing.

    Shyt’s pathetic man and the fact that he does it over and over and gets sacked or almost throws a pick 75% of the time only proves my point.

  54. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 1:15 PM
    Cav

    Because Defense is about getting after it and plugging a spot.

    Offense is about execution and changing on the fly. There’s absolutely zero comparison between coaching D and O.

    Shannon himself said as much in an interview during the week when asked about the hardest position to play….

    >>>>>>>>

    Then why is the offense WORSE this year, any way you slice it??

  55. You’ll never see qb growth or better decision making from a qb who’s under center with an empty backfield, lol, that crap is just funny when you see the highlight, just pause the screen, that should be made into a poster. Than to add insult to injury, whipple may have went and graduated from an ivy league school, but they never taught him common sense. How can a man who seriously wants to be a headcoach or oc at the next level but he’s constantly either callign that play or letting that play be run that way, and this is not his only fundamental flaw.

    I’m quite sure defensive coordinators are laughing when they look at film and see this. I can see a caoch like coach cutliffe after the game expressing this same sentiment to either shannon or whipple just for the sake of sportmanship for the kids safety.

  56. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    WTF is it with these frosh thinking they’re supposed to be on the field automatically just cause they practice well for a few months???

    Now Gaines is not in a good mood. WTF is it with these kids. His azz would be in Buffalo had his coach not sent us some tape.

    Good grief Charlie Brown…

  57. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Cal, exactly, if I’m a DC and I see that shyt I’m telling my MLB to call an automatic blitz package right up the gut. And since J12 NEVER audibles, he’ll be a sitting duck.

    It’s just idiotic, any way you slice it. And that’s why you don’t see anyone else doing that dumb shyt.

  58. The question of why the offense is not executing, just think back to the spring game when stephen morris was running the offense, whenever i see a play called that has the qb going out for a pass, i’m not impressed with that type of oc, because that tells me he has no common sense of how to run an offense, ponder at this point is much more athletic than our qb’s and they don’t even call that play for him, so why are we running it for our fraile qb’s, be it in a game or practice, like when nix ran it in 2008 against duke to jacory. That shows you the real fundamentally flawed mind of an inept oc who’s trying to get yards by having his qb go out for a pass, come on man.

  59. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Calvin
    October 17, 2010 at 1:25 PM
    You’ll never see qb growth or better decision making from a qb who’s under center with an empty backfield, lol, that crap is just funny when you see the highlight, just pause the screen, that should be made into a poster. Than to add insult to injury, whipple may have went and graduated from an ivy league school, but they never taught him common sense. How can a man who seriously wants to be a headcoach or oc at the next level but he’s constantly either callign that play or letting that play be run that way, and this is not his only fundamental flaw.

    I’m quite sure defensive coordinators are laughing when they look at film and see this. I can see a caoch like coach cutliffe after the game expressing this same sentiment to either shannon or whipple just for the sake of sportmanship for the kids safety.

    >>>>>>>>>>

    LOL!!

  60. cav, i’m just surprised defenses don’t blitz it, if i’m a linebacker, i’d almost treat that play like it was a goaline run, i’d try and dive over the top and snatch jacory up.

    Another fundamental flaw with that play, just look at when hankerson caught that 1st touchdown against clemson, had the linebackers blitzed, where was the receiver or runningback with the underneath route, all the guys going down field and we’re using pat hill has the back to flare out, lol, if he’s going to run a play like that, would be a good time to have lamar miller or mike james flaring out, not chunky aspirin(it’s Sunday)pat hill.

  61. And cav, the deception is, because we scored on those 2 plays against clemson, that somehow people think those were good plays call and jacory finally made a good read, whether that play works or not, that’s not, and never will be good oc’ing!

  62. kl Cane, how is ohigh fake. ranked ahead of wisconsin, lol, and the way wisconsin jumped out on the luckeyes is the same way we had our chance, that would’ve been a different game had we gone up 14 to 3 on them and forced pryor to have to pass for most of the game.

  63. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    That’s a joke, Calvin. We’ll see how the BCS shakes out tonight.

  64. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Cav kinda the same stuff that went on up at uf with them new dudes calling them selves the big 3??? Lol…I do remember Shannon saying once frosh’s get on campus u have to almost DErecruit them…lol

  65. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Calvin
    October 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM
    cav, i’m just surprised defenses don’t blitz it, if i’m a linebacker, i’d almost treat that play like it was a goaline run, i’d try and dive over the top and snatch jacory up.

    Another fundamental flaw with that play, just look at when hankerson caught that 1st touchdown against clemson, had the linebackers blitzed, where was the receiver or runningback with the underneath route, all the guys going down field and we’re using pat hill has the back to flare out, lol, if he’s going to run a play like that, would be a good time to have lamar miller or mike james flaring out, not chunky aspirin(it’s Sunday)pat hill.

    >>>>>>>>

    Cal, lol, that’s exactly what a MLB should do with that. And WTF was that with Hill being the bail-out option?? lol

    If Whipple would just use a two TB set with Berry and James, defense wouldn’t know wtf was coming. Are they running passing, TE, wheel route, WR clear out for iso on the RBs, double screen, they would have no clue cause both James and Berry can run and block LBs.

    Just look at it with James, Berry, Cleveland, Byrd and Hank. Throw in a couple of audible options and we’re in bidness.

    Look at how many things you could run with that set alone. Defense wouldn’t know what to key on.

  66. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Nash, that’s very, very true. I completely forgot about that craziness up there. And yeah Shannon did say that.

    All said though, I still like the hunger. Just gotta channel it.

  67. Where is JSQ?

  68. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Btw does Shannon do a calling in show…maybe someone can ask him why he allows whip to call an empty set with the qb under center??

  69. Cc, I am coordinating volunteers at a childrens’ Haloween carnival with Junior League all day.

  70. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Nash, I’d love to do that but I don’t think he does. But ultimately, he leaves it to Whipple. Sink or swim….

    I just can’t imagine he’s looking at this as a DC and saying, “Yeah, this is hard to stop.”

    Execution or not, the fundamental transparency of the formation is the problem.

  71. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Cav

    Of ourse you play the short routs…

    thus the execution part of the game. Its up to your guy beating their guy. I would like to believe our guy can beat any duke guy all day long…

    im sorry that you guys see that differently. WHere I come from the WR has the advantage because pf where he knows where hes going…unless it’s deon sanders I don’t see ANY reason why a WR can’t get open at the LOS.

    DB’s earn their paychecks with CLOSING SPEED. Why do you think that’s at such a premeium? Because the WR within 10 yds should be open.

    Now….let me hear the follow up as to Miami should’nt run those plays because the receivers aren’t open.

  72. avatar
    The Truth says:

    The offense is worse because the QB isn’t playing well.

    It isn’t worse than UNC and that stretch of games when Jacory got hurt last year is it?

  73. Ok have fun with that JSQ :)

  74. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Cav – you are running yourself into circles.

    On the one hand you are critical of Whip for putting the OL into passing situaitons when they have to hold their blocks for the WR to get down the field.

    You’re saying whip needs to run plays where Jacory isn’t throwing the ball too many yds down the field?

    Ok…sure

    Well, one way to combat that is to get the D spread out and isolate a WR on a safety or LB

    One way to do that is to empty the backfield, put 5 wide across the D and let your QB take a VERY quick 3 step drop.

    its a BOOM BOOM play.

    Your OL isn’t expected to hold their block as long and, like I said, your WR should get off the LOS almost every sinle time.

    But when your WR doesn’t or your QB holds it too long???

    So then what? What plays do you run then?

    I got a little football 101 for you…

    Play action aint for the DL…it’s to hold the safety and LBs. Our OL can’t hold the DL off alone, much less when they send someone.

    So again, what would you like the man to call and when should he call it?

    Aree you saying LESS THAN 2 SECONDS is demanding too much for an OL at the University of Miami to pass protect for?

    Are you saying that a WR at the University of Miami shouldn’t be expected to get the LOS against a LB or safety?

    Are you saying the QB shouldn’t be able to throw a ball after a 3 step drop 5-7 yds MAX down the field?

  75. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Its ridiculous…

    There are problems with this team beyon the order of the plays called…

  76. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Finally, the mark of a QB is his ability to play on 3rd down and in the red zone.

    You can playcall you ass off all day long but of your Qb can throw it in the red zone or 3rd down because the windows are smaller, you’re out of gas.

    And if your line aint run blocking its a little hard to channel your inner alabama and poubd into the end zone…

  77. Currently playing in haystacks with a 3 year old. :-)

  78. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Truth I think??? Cav is with you on the spead em out part but just questioning why the qb is under center with 5 wide?? It’s not that he does it once a game but it’s part of the game plan thru out..

  79. avatar
    moneycane says:

    I agree that there are many issues on the Offensive side of the ball. Whip should bare some of the blame, but I haven’t seen the players execute to a T outside of the FAMU game.

  80. avatar
    The Truth says:

    LOL

    Nash..,I just explained why???!!!!!

    If the ol can’t block you still have to throw it. Under center, in the shot gun…if they’re spread out does it matter?

    Getting him in the 3 step drop helps a qb get his feet set and the rhythm of his throwing motion better.

    It’s not that bad of a playcall if the players execute it!

  81. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Now….let me hear the follow up as to Miami should’nt run those plays because the receivers aren’t open.

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 2:13 PM
    The offense is worse because the QB isn’t playing well.

    It isn’t worse than UNC and that stretch of games when Jacory got hurt last year is it?

    >>>>>>>>>>

    I’d say it’s worse cause Whipple can’t seem to put together more than one decent drive a game. He hasn’t orchestrated back to back TD drives since the 1st half of the Clemson game. Pitt and Clemson shut us down in the second half, while in the 1st half EVERYONE WAS EXECUTING.

    So what happened?? The DC stopped ONE thing and Whipple had no adjustments. Against FSU it didn’t even get that far cause they stopped it in the 1st. The 1st drive was garbage, that’s why it got shut down so quickly after that. DUKE shut us down in the half had it not been for the defense. I guess that’s on J12 and the players, NOT THEIR COACH.

    And my point isn’t that the WRs should or shouldn’t be able to beat their man one on one but if the CBs KNOW it’s got to happen then any advantage of surprise is gone.

    That’s why I’ve seen that play work well ONCE of all the times he’s run it…Hankerson’s TD against Clemson. And that came on a series where the field position was good, a couple of good runs had just occurred and the defense was off-balance. In other words it was a surprise.

    And yes, Truth 2 seconds is still demanding IF THE DEFENSE KNOWS WHAT’S COMING. It takes all of 2 seconds to blow by a C and G and sack the QB when there is no threat of a run and he’s under center.

    Like I said, if I’m a DC and I see that formation I’m telling my MLB to blow that shyt up right in the middle.

    And that’s nice to get his feet set BUT YOU YOURSELF SEE HIM THROWING OFF HIS BACK FOOT WHEN NO ONE’S AROUND HIM.

    He has ZERO confidence in the OL. So if Whipple sees this why does he force him into an uncomfortable position??

    Because he’s Whipple, that’s why. He just wants that played called and by gosh it’s going to be called. And because NO ONE CAN EXECUTE the play.

    If you want to get J12 in a rhythm with no RBs, sit him in the gun.

    Or better yet, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET HIM IN A RHYTHM CALL SOME PLAYS THAT AREN’T TRANSPARENT.

    If it’s all on J12 how has he regressed?? If Whipple’s his teacher what does that say about the teacher?

  82. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Money, Whipple should bare 90% of it and the rest should go to Shannon, until proven otherwise, basically because Shannon’s given him total control of the offense.

    And that formation is just the worst of what Whipple does.

    Truth, if the offnese continues to sputter I guess it’s all a 20 year-olds fault, not the full-grown, supposedly expert men around him.

    That’s the biggest piece of bullshyt I’ve ever heard, especially when we’ve all see how well this particular 20 year old can play when the playcalling is not transparent.

    Until FSU and Duke, Whipple had a history of calling fairly good 1st series. He did it against USF, Clemson, Pitt, and probably a few other teams last year.

    But we’ll see if he’s going to continue to say it’s because the players aren’t executing this weekend.

  83. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 2:24 PM
    Its ridiculous…

    There are problems with this team beyon the order of the plays called…

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 2:26 PM
    Finally, the mark of a QB is his ability to play on 3rd down and in the red zone.

    You can playcall you ass off all day long but of your Qb can throw it in the red zone or 3rd down because the windows are smaller, you’re out of gas.

    And if your line aint run blocking its a little hard to channel your inner alabama and poubd into the end zone…

    >>>>>>>>>>>

    I fail to see what problem is bigger than the offense’s inability to score and move the ball and keep defenses off-balance.

    If a team is determined to stuff the run then why don’t you tell your QB to audible a pass play at the LOS.

    Again, if they’re not executing why can’t he teach it?? Or does it take four years for Whipple’s NFL system to be absorbed by college kids?

  84. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    Ok, so why is Eli Rodgers decommitting now…?

  85. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    And the mark of a good OC is how well he calls plays inside the red-zone. Lining up in the shotgun when you’ve been running the ball down a team’s throat certainly won’t do much for the run-blocking skills and confidence. I refer to Clemson.

  86. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    KL, what did he say? He probably sees this shyt Whipple’s putting on the field and is re-thinking his options. Not that FSU or UF look any better. lol

  87. Well honestly KL watching the lackluster performance that MNW put up on Friday…..I am not sure we want more of the same.

  88. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Cav

    I wonder if maybe, possibly the logic begin lining up in a shotgun with a QB that has issues delivering the ball in some tight windows in the red zone is possibly because it gives him that extra second to decipher the D and find the window while standing there instead of trying to do it dropping back?

    Like, maybe there’s a reason why the OC HAS to do that for the play to be successful?

    Because it hadn’t been working the other way…

    I wonder?

  89. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 2:23 PM
    Cav – you are running yourself into circles.

    On the one hand you are critical of Whip for putting the OL into passing situaitons when they have to hold their blocks for the WR to get down the field.

    You’re saying whip needs to run plays where Jacory isn’t throwing the ball too many yds down the field?

    Ok…sure

    Well, one way to combat that is to get the D spread out and isolate a WR on a safety or LB

    One way to do that is to empty the backfield, put 5 wide across the D and let your QB take a VERY quick 3 step drop.

    its a BOOM BOOM play.

    Your OL isn’t expected to hold their block as long and, like I said, your WR should get off the LOS almost every sinle time.

    But when your WR doesn’t or your QB holds it too long???

    So then what? What plays do you run then?

    I got a little football 101 for you…

    Play action aint for the DL…it’s to hold the safety and LBs. Our OL can’t hold the DL off alone, much less when they send someone.

    So again, what would you like the man to call and when should he call it?

    >>>>>>>>>>

    Truth, I never said play action was to hold the DL. You’r reading something or someone else.

    And my point is that whatever Whipple calls, 80% of the time it’s transparent to the defense what’s coming because of formation and precedent.

    The other point is that he rarely staggers a defense or keeps them off-balance by playcalling, formation and down and distance circumstance.

    It’s either, run, run, run or pass, pass, pass, usually from the same two or three formations.

    You can call a seven step drop if you know WHEN to call it. I’d do it after a first down run.

    If a team is loading the box, I’m stepping back into the shotgun and leaving two RBs, Berry and James in a split backfield. I’d send one in motion to see what the defense is running, man or zone, and if the blitz is real or fake. Then depending on what I see I might send the other RB out as well to set up a mismatch and give me a short and medium range option.

    If I’m inside my 20 I’d probably keep 1 RB in for protection, esp. if I know my OTs are slow and young.

    That’s what I would do with this team. One example of what I would do.

    Another is if it’s 1st and 15, I’d spread ‘em out and keep 1 RB in the backfield, no TEs. I’d bring one WR in motion to set up a mismatch to one side of the field or another then depending on what I saw at the snap, I’d pick my target.

    And I would instruct my QB to take the medium range target to move the chains, unless we’re inside the opponents 40 and I see a one on one matchup.

    The last fukin thing I would do is put my QB under center with NO RB. It leaves minimal options if ONE thing goes wrong.

    If I put him under center I’d have an I-formation, or preferably a split backfield with james and Berry or James and Miller esp. because they can both run, catch and block. I’d have Hankerson and Byrd as WRs for this formation with Cleveland or Benjamin as the 3rd option. I’d send Benjamin in motion.

    I think I’ve seen that formation maybe once and nothing happened with it.

  90. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 3:37 PM
    Cav

    I wonder if maybe, possibly the logic begin lining up in a shotgun with a QB that has issues delivering the ball in some tight windows in the red zone is possibly because it gives him that extra second to decipher the D and find the window while standing there instead of trying to do it dropping back?

    Like, maybe there’s a reason why the OC HAS to do that for the play to be successful?

    Because it hadn’t been working the other way…

    I wonder?

    >>>>>>>>>>

    Yeah, I wonder too. Sometimes yes I could see running that but not 3 consecutive times in the red-zone, when you’ve been running the ball down a team’s throat.

    J12 gets his feet under him best with play-action. If I’m inside the red-zone with this team I’m not going into the shotgun unless it’s 3rd down and play action did not work on either of the other downs.

    Shotgun’s a last ditch formation unless all you run is a spread. That’s why you didn’t see Mike Martz run it with the greatest show on turf. Warner was always under center, always with a RB so the defense had to respect the possibility of a run.

    But with Whipple, the run is just something you do so the stat sheet the next days says we ran the ball 25 times. It’s not something you use as a tactical weapon to really stagger the defense.

  91. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Truth, I put up a couple posts on the last blog, which were found on a couple other message boards, about kids from Da West possibly being soft/coddled/spoiled/having a sense of entitlement……

    Don’t know if you addressed them at all, but do you have an opinion on it?

  92. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Great/Good coaches/coordinators scheme around players strengths & weaknesses, to make them as effective as possible.

    Great/Good players perform and execute to account for coaching/coordinating deficiencies.

    One of these sides must start doing their jobs……On the regular.

  93. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    From Manny…

    >>>>>>>>>>>

    As you know, offensive coordinator Mark Whipple likes to throw the deep ball. Harris attempted 11 of those passes Saturday and completed only three of them for 93 yards. Harris had a lot more success throwing short passes (under 10 yards), completing 11 of 14 for 84 yards.

    Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2010/10/qb-watch-charting-jacory-harris.html#ixzz12eGMUUbJ

  94. Even in the FAMU game i wasn’t impressed with the play-calling, you could see that those plays were not going to work against better competition, FAMU was having some success in attacking our offense. Most of whipples play designs bother me.

    In the redzone, in order for a team to get better at redzone scoring, you have to line them up the right way, and call a teams best running play, with the right formation, spreading a defense out in the redzone is room for disaster at the college level. WHy go with 3 or 4 wideouts in the redzone, makes no sense to me, you rarely see that in the pro’s. If you going 3 to 4 wide outs, than run the ball from that formation.

    Asking interception prone jacory to throw the ball in tighter windows is another example of why i can’t see whiple being an oc nowhere no time soon, that’s a low percentage call. Our redzone numbers are down because of bad redzone play-calling. We don’t even break the offensive huddle like we’re going to do anything worth while. The tempo of this offense, i’m just not liking it this year, last year the offense had a better tempo. It’s one thing to say the players are not executing, but when the oc is not calling favorable plays, just look at that play against clemson when the screen play was called and jacory had to run, how could that play have been executed any better, clemson saw what was coming almost as soon as the ball was snapped.

    To many bad tip-off tendecies with our offense. No matter what, defensive coordinators have more film on whipple this year and no way jacory is not better than what’s being displayed, he’s putting up over 200 yards passing a game, and he’s moving the offense, i like the fact that we’re talking 3 step drops, i just don’t recall jacory doing any 3 step drops in this offense.

  95. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Watching the Duke game now….

    1st series is classic Whipple ball. 1st down he opens with a 1RB 2Wrs and TE, and runs for a 1st down.

    Then Berry runs again for no gain. THEN YOU KNOW WHAT’S COMING….YUP….PASS, PASS, PASS FROM THE SHOTGUN.

    No play-action. Not different formations or personnel. Just J12 and the WRs running deep routes and J12 making one bad decision on one play to the sideline of course to Chase Ford then making a PERFECT 20-30 yard PASS to Hankerson that he dropped.

    5 and OUT…..

  96. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Ive been reading both sides of this argument for whats seems like years (obviously only weeks) but it is pretty clear to me that it is a combination of execution and play calling.

    I think since the OSU game, the players have really lost confidence and seem to show a lack of emotion that translates to the field. I think that game really shook the offense from top to bottom even though they ddint lose that badly but it was a poor performance. These is really a lack of urgnecy from everyone except maybe berry.

    On the other hand the play calling has been decent, not bad, not good, not great, but okay enough to get by. I think if the players exectued itd make the play calling look better and visa versa. I also think it hurts that once we come out to run a play, we dont audible. We must let jacory audible if he sees something different to keep the D off balance and to instill faith and confidence within him.

    JMO

  97. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Cal, he’s only allowed to take a 3-step drop when he’s under center with AN EMPTY BAKCFIELD. lol

    Otherwise it’s the shotgun or a 5 step drop.

    The defense pays no attention to our running game cause Whipple goes straight to the shotgun pass.

    It’s almost like we never ran the ball. His shyt is sophomoric man. Just weak.

  98. I tell ya what, Teddy. It’s the same microscope everywhere, son. You play major FBS football, the scrutiny is the same, pal.

    He contradicted himself in his comments.

    Get on or get off. This is like watching the Young and the Restless, for heaven sakes

  99. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    2nd drive….

    We open up in the shotgun with 1RB and 3 WRs. Duke is never thinking anything but pass. You can by the way the defense lines up.

    You’d think with the RB in for protection Whipple might give J12 a few medium range options over the middle or something like that. NOPE.

    He throws a hot-read to Hankerson who is in motion that the SS snuffs out as soon as Hank catches it.

    Then of course, trying to outdo himself, he lines up J12 under center empty backfield and guess what, OUR TRUE FROSH RT MOVES BEFORE THE SNAP BECAUSE HE’S WORRIED ABOUT GETTING INTO POSITION QUICKLY ENOUGH.

    Now it’s 2nd and 17. Yes 17. He calls a handoff to Berry from a 1 RB backfield. Berry picks up six. Then once again he gets J12 under center with an empty backfield. It’s 3rd and 11. J12 does his 3 step drop and connects with AJ RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DEFENDER for 8 yards.

    Now it’s 4th and 2 and we go for it from a 1RB set, Berry’s five yards BEHIND THE LOS. Duke loads up in the box, ready to blitz. Wouldn’t it be a perfect time for a fake and a rollout, or a play-action pass over the middle to the TE or WR??

    Nope. Straight hand-off to Berry who doesn’t get back to the LOS.

    Duke ball.

    It’s not clear to me who’s not executing on any of these plays cause the Duke defense isn’t respecting or honoring ANYTHING.

    But it’s the players fault.

  100. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    On the other hand the play calling has been decent, not bad, not good, not great, but okay enough to get by. I think if the players exectued itd make the play calling look better and visa versa. I also think it hurts that once we come out to run a play, we dont audible. We must let jacory audible if he sees something different to keep the D off balance and to instill faith and confidence within him.

    JMO

    >>>>>>>>>

    Philly, watch the Duke game again and you’ll see the playcalling is ABYSMAL.

    But you’re dead right. J12 should at least have the option to audible. Esp. when he’s under center with no RB.

  101. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    UH-OH….I JUST SAW AN AUDIBLE…..OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!!!

    lol

  102. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    J12 should very rarely throw to Chase. He gets very little separation and always seems to be in double coverage.

  103. I hate to break this to u guys but j12 is a one read pony 99.9% of the time.

    Now you want him to actually read a defense and audible at the line!!!!

    Are u out ur Damn mind.

    Giving the boy way too much credit.

    He can’t even see double and triple coverage on a receiver when he is staring at the dude the whole time.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

    Awesome to see the recruits jumping ship. They see the writing.

    Latwan is a goner.

    Everyone is starting to smell a dead man walking.

    He buzzards of cfb are starting circle.

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  104. Our one and only qb recruit is looking elsewhere.

    Hmmmmm what’s hat saying.

    17 year old kids aren’t buying what the Cadillac man is selling anymore. Why should we?

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  105. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    3rd and 6, we open in a staggered I. No one thinks we’re running, least of all Duke’s DC. J12 gives a lame play-fake then turns around to see a blitz coming right at him. He heaves it to Byrd, who by this point is double covered….out of bounds…..PUNT.

    Finally on the 4th series Whipple puts together a combo that gets a TD…..It’s a good combination of run and pass….too little variation of formation but he finally stopped trying to run wide on Duke and ran directly at them.

    Let’s see how long it takes before he has another successful drive.

  106. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Canez1
    October 17, 2010 at 5:07 PM
    I hate to break this to u guys but j12 is a one read pony 99.9% of the time.

    Now you want him to actually read a defense and audible at the line!!!!

    Are u out ur Damn mind.

    >>>>>>>

    LOL.. It’s better to give him an option when the playcaller sucks.

    I thought Latwan said, barely two weeks ago….I LOVE COACH SHANNON…HE’S EVERYTHING I EXPECTED??

    What happened after a tough loss??

    Teddy B. is looking at WHIPPLE my man, nothing else.

  107. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    C1, give up the scoop bro. Email me…

  108. Oh lord, so what do all cane fans do this year and next….become duck fans because according to the fan base we suck, go hide our heads, don’t bother to watch, recruits hate us, whipple sucks, shalala sucks, administration sucks, lake is stinky, rooms have horrible views, night life is really bad, Randy’s dog is depressing the team, lovett is stinking too and the ball boy farts alot……yes that is about it.

  109. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Year in and year out we seem to lose our top recruit throughout the recruiting process…..

    I’ve learned not to give a phuck……

    See ya Eli. Teddy you wanna dip too? One-hundred, brah.

    I’ll just root for the players who end up here, and whoever is coaching this team. Be they inept or not.

  110. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Shannon ain’t ever gonna be Bear Bryant.

    Jacory ain’t gonna ever be Kenny D.

    SunLife Stadium ain’t gonna ever be The Orange Bowl.

    What can I do about any of that, until it changes…..?

    Zippo.

  111. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Sh!thead, there is some ridiculous drama EVERY year. Rodgers who knows. Teddy B. I’d be surprised. He’s going to face pressure anywhere. It comes with the territory. It might be a little more extreme in MIA but there’s still a ton of support here as well.

    The problems all start and stop with Whipple and the offense. It’s really that simple.

    5th drive he opens with a play-action long pass to Hankerson that he drops. Same formation. 1-RB, TE, 2 WRs. Then a run by Berry for five. It’s 3rd and 5 or 6 and he runs it AGAIN up the middle from the I. No play-action, no rollout, just a straight hand-off.

    Berry’s stopped for no-gain…..PUNT.

  112. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    CANEZ1,

    My poor a$$ is still tryin to get up to that UVA game witcha’. Wife won’t let me spend our trip money. Marriage is for chumps……

  113. 15 mins to showtime. Hope you all give a listen.

  114. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    Canechic LMAO!!!!

    I <3 u, girl!

  115. Capt O – jsut getting back here now, but I see Truth, pb and Canez have all agreed its mainly execution and you guys have had your back and forth on that, so I am not going to beat that dead horse anymore. Despite your re-watching, I stand by my opinion. Is what it is.

    That being said, if you don’t mind me asking, waht do you do for a living? I ask because to me while a boss can be blamed for not training his employees right and not assigning them the right tasks, he cannot control what they physically do. I think you tie too much of the result to this training rather than the execution.

    Also, I said I would give Whip a B and maybe a B+ if he would ditch a couple formations, such as the empty set under center with Pat Hill and Damien Berry as WR options. So here I am admitting fault on Whip’s part but you of course jumped right to my higher grade without the stipulation.

    Also to give you an idea of what a B means to me here it is: The are are bascially 120 defensive coordinators at the D-1 level. I split that into 5 groups of 24 and each group would get a letter grade. This means I think Whipple is better than 72 for sure and really probably somewhere between 85 and 96 more likely. Disagree if you want but thats what it means to me.

    I am curious to think if other people think the same thing about Whipple baseically at lease in the top 50 coordinators and more likely somewhere bwtween 30 and 40.

  116. Hurricane Alley on in 10…

  117. Lol Hurri I hear ya my man. I’m single with no kids so when I want to roll I just get up and do it.

    Don’t drive urself nuts bro. It’s a pretty cool little stadium tho. Very family friendly.
    Cav I have to head out. I will throw u an email tomorrow at some point. Some interesting stuff.

    The ball boy is an issue cc!!! Lol

    It’s all about perception. I choose to recognize obvious issues and disturbing patterns and meet them head on. Others choose to look the other way and wonder wtf happened when they get punched in the balls or tits ;)

    I can’t just ignore the obvious no matter how painful it is.

    We all deserve more and so does this program. That’s all we are asking.

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  118. Capt O – Now the D. Can you tell me what Lovett has done that has particularly impressed you? Let’s look at our most impressive areas to note and you tell me what Lovett has done to effect these (as these are a main reason for our improved D this year)

    TFL and sacks? Well Petri is finally teaching out lineman some technique to go along with that athleticism, so yeah that’s not a direct result of Lovett’s coaching IMO. (the DL play also allows the opportunity for some TFL and sacks for LBs too which again does not necessarily corresponde with Lovett)

    The turnovers? Here I think its a case of our players have been in the right place at the right time and have actually caught the ball this year. Honestly other than the Regis pick yesterday, I would say most (if not all) of our picks this year have been on tipped balls, poor QB decisions or errant throws. Not DBs jumping routes or superior plays/scheming. Again this is not Lovett doing anything special and in someways furthermore goes back to Petri.

    Now if you want to tell me we have been better at covering the TE or preparing I would say you are generally correct. But then again there is the FSU game, and where was that ingame adjustment from Lovett if he is so much better than Whip?

    So I am curious to see your thougths but this is how I feel about those comments. And despite that let me make one thing clear:

    I AM NOT HATING ON LOVETT OR THE DEFENSE AS THEY HAVE GENERALLY BEEN OUR BRIGHT SPOT AND MUCH IMPORVED OVER LAST YEAR, BUT TO SAY THIS IS A RESULT OF LOVETT? NOPE TO ME ITS ACTUALLY ABOUT EXECUTION WHICH IS COME TO THINK OF IT IS THE PROBLEM ON OUR…

  119. can you guys comment on recruiting? If U see this?

  120. And in regards to Teddy’s comments, I will not say what I really want to except Teddy REALLY? Stick and stones? I think you need to take a look in the mirror and decide what you want because man, I think you got your Jacory underoos on right now and are blind to some things…

  121. Haha Capt O too funny to hear you on with bg and Este after I ask them to try and settle my point about the D.

    And here you go on our other argument about the O. This is funny to tal kabout this via another avenue.

  122. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    Ohhhh nooo bg!! Don’t do it!! LOL!

    Great show, tho. :)

  123. great show fellas

  124. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Shwarma that comment about petri and the DL play and how now lovett looks better at DC is a great analogy to what I meant about hill, stout, panunz being the mechanics to get the car to run better…

  125. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Shwarm, I do HR work for an automobile company- screening, training, evaluation. And they’re very much perfectionists, very focused on standard procedure and getting the most out of their team members.

    Execution, execution. Yes, Hank’s drops hurt the drives but all those predictable running plays on 3rd and 4th down certainly killed more drives. Also just finished watching a 3rd and 4th down with him under center empty backfield. J12 threw behind the WR on 3rd and overthrew TB on 4th for a long ball, low percentage pass anyway.

    All the consecutive passes also defeats the success we have running. And why are we doing that against a 4-2-5 defense???

    ARE THESE WHIPPLE’S ONLY OPTIONS for 3rd and 4th down conversions??

    To give the offense the benefit of the doubt, it seems like Shannon wanted to work something out or experiment with something on 4th down….BUT WHY THAT?? Is this formation suddenly your go to formation on 3rd and 4th down??

    Now, if you’re comparing him to all the OCs in CFB, well, I don’t know. I’ve seen some pretty shytty playcalling this year….TX, VT and a few others.

    But so far, given the talent we’ve had, how J12 has regressed, and how little imagination or rhythm he uses, I can’t see him being in the top 30. Now maybe out of 112 that could be a B. Maybe.

    I recall in the pre-season the players were talking about being the best offense in the country. I wonder who started that idea??? Whipple?? Or maybe the youthful enthusiasm?

    I’ve said before that Whipple CAN call some very sharp series. I’ve seen him do it this year and last year. But this is mid-way point of the season and it seems like we have about 3 formations, two of which are transparently passing formations.

    Maybe he and the offense are really working out the kinks of his quasi-Coryell attack. Maybe.

    Maybe it’s all going to come together here in the stretch, both his playcalling and the execution.

    IF IT DOES we’ll win out comfortably. UNC doesn’t have any real talent but they’re solid and they execute their less complicated offense. VT is on a roll but we matchup well with them.

    Honestly, our defense, esp. if Cain continues to improve, which seem inevitable, is good enough for us to play with almost anyone. They’re not dominant but they’re solid across the board except for the MLB.

    So, this season really hangs on the OFFENSE. Whipple’s ability to playcall, to somehow teach this team to execute and to get J12 out of one option reading.

    Like I said, they’ve all had their moments but they have yet to put them together in consecutive series.

  126. LOL, get mofo out the cage, he tried to get an attitude and show force, these some hood lions right here!

    http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/multiple-lions-attack/1jr48g0mx?q=Lions&rel=MSN

  127. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM
    Shwarma that comment about petri and the DL play and how now lovett looks better at DC is a great analogy to what I meant about hill, stout, panunz being the mechanics to get the car to run better…

    >>>>>>>>>

    Truth, I can believe that but after a year, if I’m the head mechanic, something’s got to connect somewhere, either with them or with me.

  128. Sorry guys. :-(

  129. Capt O – Fair enough. I am putting this one to rest.

  130. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Me personally I’m not surprised to hear TB say what he said about the shots he’s seen his boy take…he laying it on the line every week and 90% of the fans/media blame him for the offenses struggles dispite the fact he’s been beat half to death physically…then when u factor in the racism and J( whatever u want to call him) names that are dropped on him then I can see why a KID would waver…on the Rogers decommit I remember bg say on the pay sites they thot he wouldn’t stick so I’m not surprised…and Mike u know for a fact that players read message boards so over the comment on players and coaches can be helpfull or hurtful no matter how honest they are!!! I remember over at tos truth would talk about how good the spot was for positive influence but now days it’s hard to find anything positive about this team EVEN AFTER THEY WIN!!! Coachs have a hard enuff time dealing with coaches from other teams negative recruiting but battling the fans makes it worse!!

  131. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    T, the rest of the season hangs in the hands of the offense. It’s really that simple. The defense has proven its ability time and again, esp. if Cain becomes a legit MLB.

    I’m watching the Duke game and I have to say the more I watch the more it starts to look like Shannon and I supposed Whipple are experimenting with different things, perhaps in prep for stiffer opponents. Hopefully I’m right about this.

    But about the larger point of Whipple……

    Honest, truthfully, from the bottom of my heart…

    I HOPE TO HIGH HEAVEN I’M WRONG!!!!

    haha

    And that’s my last word on the subject….(until I can’t restrain myself)

  132. Nash fair points about these being kids, but I also think that it is the coaches job to address these things. I think the Bridgewater committment could put that theory to the test.

  133. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Cowboys=Hurricanes

    Romo=Jacory

    Garrett=Whipple

    Stable of running backs never used… Talented WR corp that is not living up to their potential

  134. Nash, I agree.

    Some pay sites are especially negative regarding fans’ commentary. The name calling and venom has not let up even after a conference road win. I eluded to it in this article.

    I don’t think EOTH is negative, just voicing real concerns and observations.

  135. I really hated to do that, but Butch owns Miami STILL. Ha!

  136. Philly

    Me and Nashville been saying the Canes and the Cowboys are EXACTLY the same team.

  137. Well I really have no idea why any of these kids should want to even come to school here and play out the rest of this season….this fan base is just pathetic…I am really starting not to like cane fan at all. I think I need a break and just enjoy the school my daughter goes to and love.

  138. That’s not accurate about lovett. While petri has help to improve the defense, if you go back to last year’s defense, our defense was stout in the redzone, and even our secondary was ranked kind of high up their. We did decent on third downs as well. All signs pointed to us being a better defense this year even before the hiring of petri. Go back and look at our scoring defense from last year, this was being pointed out before petri came in. Several games, teams scored touchdowns not against the defense but in other ways, special teams, interceptions and maybe a fumble or too.

    This year, alot of the younger guys are more physically mature, have better knowledge of the scheme and are playing with more confidence. So let’s give lovett his just due now, and than adding petri has helped to advance this defense, but the better coaches right now are on the defensive side of the ball. whipple is not a bad oc, but he could greatly improve, whipple like nix doesnt have a go to play or formation that he can get back to when things get little ruff.

    It wasn’t the ohigh fake game that has caused this offense to struggle, it’s just the in-ability of nix to call nice plays and in rythm. whipple’s offense let’s defenses get away with to much.

    Ok, if eli rogers wants to decommitt, that’s his peragative, but what’s more important is this statement from:
    ///////////////////////////////////////
    teddy bridgewater:
    “More can be done in the offense. I paid attention to the Florida State game. Third and 10, Third and 8, they came out unbalanced. I’m just asking myself ‘What’s going on? Why aren’t they opening the offense at this point of the game?'”
    ////////////////////////////////////////

    Ok, so now, irregardless of what we’re saying, if highschoolers are seeing the same thing, me and cav keep hollering “formations” and now a highschooler is basically asking “why that formation?”. We’re basically in the same boat as when we had nix, but whipple has a playbook that can bail him out, if he fine tunes his formations, and starts streamlining that play and figures out, ok, i’m going to be a power I offense, 1 back set offense, etc. etc. I refuse to believe this o-line is worst than last years. THis o-line is giving jacory time, they are not as bad as they’ve been advertised. They held up real good against ohigho fake, and quiet as kept, if they’re not a good run blocking team, how is it that damien berry actually should have had 100 yards rushing against a few more teams as well.

    i remember people saying the players weren’t executing nix plays, lol, and now nix is gone, and rightfully so, so if we have to get rid of 2 more coaches, who’s next, fluzzi and aubrey hill.

  139. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Philly I been a cowboys fan my whole life and bg and I have been making these comparisons for WEEKS!!!

  140. After watching the rerun of that ’08 Duke/Miami game.. You can look at Jacory and tell right off rip that he was a different quarterback then, than the one he is now. He looked hungry, he tore out and ran on a whim (which more often than not has been SUCCESSFUL for him). Made good reads ON THE RUN.. Overall, he’s looking like our version of Chris Rix.

    But seriously — our offense is doomed unless something gives.

    We have an offensive line that is PHYSICALLY comparable to Wisconsin’s, all we lack is the big running back.. But you see what they did to Ohio State? Just goes to show you how crucial that offensive line coaching is.. AND the strength and conditioning coaching.. Just ’cause Swasey was there for our ’01 season doesn’t mean the sun rises and sets in his ass..

    WAKE FOREST hung 50+ on Duke. We got 21? REALLY?

    WELL, RANDY SHANNON SEZ IS A HARD PLACE TO PLAY

    Not really. Bama put up over 600 yards of offense against them..

    Damn shame. I almost wish we hadn’t been the recipient of 7 turnovers.. Might have an excuse as to why more points weren’t scored.

    Love my team, but we’re screwed.

  141. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Enuff blame to go around for everyone!!!

  142. The haters aka little cane1 are the ones running the recruits Off

  143. Oh!! my bad little canez1 not canes1

    Go Canes beat UNC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  144. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    canechic says:
    October 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM

    this fan base is just pathetic…I am really starting not to like cane fan at all. I think I need a break and just enjoy the school my daughter goes to and love.
    ———————————————————-
    Canechic, agree with you 100%. I have never seen an overreaction to a loss like this. Its been 2 weeks now, and people wont let that game go. Their opinions of the Duke game is still influenced by that Nole loss.

    The negativity really has reached a fever pitch and i think its unwarranted.

    Calling for the HC, OC to be fired? really? I have read comments on some blogs where people are discussing head coaching candidates.

    The Canes had a bad loss 2 weeks ago. Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They didnt beat Duke how you thought they should. SO WHAT!

    I am so sick and tired of reading negative comments blaming RS, Whipple, etc that i dont even read post by some posters because i know it will be obsessively over the top negative.

    Even many of the reporters seem to have caught the bug and is critical about everything.

    The negativity is so over the top, its nit picking to a fault.

    The Canes are still on track to make their goal of playing in the ACCCG, but if you read the comments on the blogs, this one included, you would get the impression the team is 0-6.

    There are issues on the team, but its not as bad as some people are making it out to be and the constant harping needs to stop.

  145. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Benni V I think the offensive mind set has to change…I said it before and will say it again whip/jacory are greedy…far to many deep balls IMO…one thing that disturbs me more than anything is Shannon and #12 gets slammed more than anyone on the offensive side of the ball but everyone knows it’s whips baby!! For the first time all season 12 has no ints but Manny and others talk about how many should have been picked?? Dude threw balls away, and scrambled to avoid sacks the go all but un noticed when ppl are critiquing his play…dude has the weight of the city on his back and I’m sure he knows the success of the teams for the most part depends on his play, so he could use some encouragement and support…canechick I’m with U, it’s a wonder any kid would want to come play for a school that the fan base is so fickle and abrasive when it comes to the team…it’s a credit to Shannon that he can convince them to come anyway dispite what punks like Sid whatever his name is says about the coaches and player on the radio!

  146. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    C1 calling C1.. WildCanes is calling you out.. will you please report to the podium

  147. avatar
    pb(EOTHROH10) says:

    Eli Rogers opening up his recruitment=The U doesn’t want him anymore.

    JMO

  148. Listen folks, I’ve been around the UM blogosphere enough to know who is who and what is what.

    I used to feel the same way, canechic and Bahama. I was constantly angry at 90% of our fan base.

    I think you can voice concerns and still love this team and the players.

    bg1906 is a perfect example. He LOVES this program, but he has some real concerns. I respect his football knowledge and opinions, so I listen to him. Hell, I have the same exact concerns.

    I think all of us are die-hard, to the core, Real ‘Canes fans. We spend our extra money and time and devote it to the one thing that brings us together: Canes Football.

    JSQ and I, bg and Este, our buddies over at CanesPundit, everyone who does this are real fans. All of you who take your free time and spend it here, REAL FANS. People who buy tickets and spend money and take the time to be concerned: all of you. US.

    With the exception of a few comments, I think the commentary is very fair here and people have brought up some valid concerns and observations. Talking about it doesn’t make it negative. Calling for a firing or calling players names is, and we don’t do that here. We remain, our group including everyone reading this comment, very supportive of this program. You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t.

    But let’s keep separate what’s negative and what’s knowledgeable football chatter.

    With that said, we respect everyone’s opinions and differences are welcomed.

  149. CANES will be all right with or without wannabe fans like little canez1. I don’t believe that any true CANE calls for the head coach after only two losses. The same clowns that want Schiano to be the head-man back in Omar’s blog in 2007. How many Big East champs Schiano has now?? True & True CANES know that continuity matters. It may satisfy personal egos to make that call but if you really care about the program, you just don’t do it, and let the season play out. Your negatively affect players and recruits by being so negative. What ever happen to the U-family???? Wake up CANES support your boys!!!!!!!!!! You are supposed to be supportive of these boys to allow them to succeed. Don’t ask them to run through hell for you and you sit you a$$ while folks kike little canez1 disrespect them while you say nothing come one guys stand up for the CANES!!!!!!!!!!!

  150. Nash and CC I will ask you this question but please realize this is something I am asking in general: Why can’t we be hard on a player as long as its fair criticism? (which on this blog it has been)

    These players receive a free ride to the university (which when including housing, meals etc probably is upwards of 60-70K a year) and are playing for the opportunity to one day play in the NFL and potentially make millions. They easily attract ladies and get other perks as well. As long as the criticism avoids being ridiculous (i.e. race, religion etc.), I really think its all fair. Right? Maybe not. But if you want the glory and want that life sometimes there are sacrificies. Nobody ever said life was easy.

    (and as a side note I think this place has always been fair and respectful, I am just saying that I don’t think kids are above harsh criticism if it stays on the field)

  151. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Pb u bring up an excellent point, but watch how the media will let the kid spin it cuz the coaches can’t comment on it…again it will be “UM and MNW in a spat” like the Chandler situation last year…

  152. I read other blogs and I talk to other fanbases. Criticism is everywhere. But there is no criticism like Can criticism.

    Canes on most blogs are seveverly critical and most know nothing about football and never watch the games past the initial viewing.

    Honestly, if you don’t know anything about formations and plays then you shouldn’t even open your mouth.

    Furthermore, screw that execution crap. Most of the successful programs in the nation are helped tremendously by the Offensive coordinator and his playcalls/formations.

    these kids aren’t superhuman. If the defense knows the damn play you can’t honestly ask a bunch of kids to stop them.

    No back sets? There are too many athletes on the D-line nowadays to ask your lineman to block for any amount of seconds.
    I’m not saying it can’t be used.. but when you use it don’t expect much production.

    It is clear that Bridgewaters frusteration lies in Whipple and his offense.

    For some of you guys to be spewing execution like the o-line isn’t inexperienced is absurd imo.

    You play within your boundaries as a coach. You don’t blame the players for execution.

    IF YOUR LINE CAN’T BLOCK GOOD IN PASS PRO WHY PUT YOUR QB & O-LINE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO PASS PRO WITH NO DISGUISE?

    A defense should be kept off balanced with playcalling plain and simple. The kids are executing enough and it’s a miracle they’re doing as good as they are.

    From what I see. Bud foster exposed Whipple last season and every DC Um faces knows how to stop his offense. He has no identity and no rhythm. Reminds me of Jason Garrett from the Cowboys.

  153. Win Lose or Draw I support my school Why? Because I love my alma mater and care about the school. Not because it reinforces some false pride but because it is the only thing to do, I am proud of my school and I am proud that these boys represent it. Win Lose or Draw!! Good night yawl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  154. avatar
    pb(EOTHROH10) says:

    The same people hailing Jimbo Fisher as a savior would be screaming for his head if they lost to BC.

    I guarantee you the Bull Gators aren’t asking Meyer, the warden at the University of Felons, over for dinner as much. I promise you the “He’s nothing without Tebow” rumblings are starting.

    It’s everywhere.

  155. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Yes…absolutely. Screw execution. Miss your blocks, run the wrong routs, and throw it where ever…as long as it’s a great play call it’s all good!

    LMAO

    Let’s scrap the OC because a 17 year old kid decides he doesn’t like what he sees!!!

    LMFAO

    Great points.

    Love these people…night all!

  156. pb, I’ve read the same things on Gator sites

  157. avatar
    The Truth says:

    It’s the damn internets!!!

    Message boards are ruining college recruiting…

  158. Sorry Mike I respect everyone and am happy for opinions but when you start rooting against your team….I think this criticism is just starting to get stupid. It is like when you are in school and it is “cool” to beat up on the kid who is down and out.

    I love this team faults and all…I want this team to win out but I almost believe this fan base does not deserve it. I am sure the team is enjoying all your support cane fans. If I were a recruit or even a potential new coach and I read this garbage, I would stay far away…no support.

    I am just glad not too many will be at the game on Saturday because it will actually be more pleasant that way.

  159. I think all the criticism considered, the answer lies in a little of both. Lack of execution and situational play calling.

    But one thing, and Randy commented on this after Regis’ INT return. Why wasn’t he absolutely mobbed?

    I think these guys aren’t having fun, and it shows in their lack of emotion. It’s too stoic for college kids. I think they’re so afraid to make a mistake, they’re playing stiff.

  160. canechic, if you can stomach it, read some Gator blogs.

    It’s the same everywhere. Rumblings from Gator fans about Meyer and his staff. It’s ridiculous. Two NC’s gain you nothing, not even a rebuilding year.

    I respectfully disagree.

  161. I read the Texas blogs after they lost to UCLA… you probably wouldn’t believe it if you read it yourself.

    Mack Brown and Urban Meyer are at the top of their professions, top 5 HC’s in all of college football. Football is much more than just X’s and O’s and execution and play calling.

    Much more.

    The point, its not just Miami fans. Read some other team’s sites, you’ll see.

    Read FSU blogs regarding Bobby. All he did for that program, the total lack of respect is appalling.

  162. So if everyone else does it, we have to too? All the points you bring just show further how stupid this negative talk really is.

  163. Philly lmfao!!! It sounds like this wildcanes douche rode in on the same bus as my boy here on the left.

    Number one son get your thumb out of your ass and wake up. This team is in trouble on multiple levels and if you cannot see that or blindly choose to sheep through life then have at it. I don’t roll like that.

    You calling me out???? Lmao

    Settle down with that shyte son. You don’t know me.

    Funny thing is u question me as a fan but I have been here all along. Where the fuk have u been??

    U sound a little light in the football iq dept and real heavy in the pom pom dept. And thats ok. Good for you.

    Just don’t try and throw your pu$$y ass attitude around here and expect everyone to sheep along.

    Those days are long gone tough guy.

    So continue to hide your head in the sand and blindly roll through life. Let’s see how that works out for you.

    Oh I forgot you are an alumni. Lol Who gives a fuk!!! That makes you more of a fan? How fukin gay is that argument.

    Me, I will continue to support this program but will not accept mediocrity from anyone associated with it.

    Sheep on bish……

    And try and do some research before you open ur slit. If you think the heat is tough here you have no idea what the fuk you are talking about. Take a look around. Noone gets a break for continuing mediocrity.

    This ain’t vandy jerkoff.

    And if you think we are complaining about just these two losses you really are lost and are probably better off with your head up our ass.

    Carry on yawl!!!!

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  164. I think everyone needs a timeout.

  165. We don’t need no stinkin execution!!!!

    Lmfao!!!!!

    My football iq is dropping as we speak.

    Just git r done.

    Where the fuk…..

    Wait cc who is rooting against their own team??

    That is not cool and I have not seen that here. I have seen it though and it is never cool imo.

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  166. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Shwarma I think criticism about players and coaches are fine BUT it’s the F this guy or fire that one, or the he sucks that gets at me the most…COMING FROM THE TEAMS FANS makes it’s worse…I guess it’s the over the top stuff really…

  167. I’m not saying if your homey jumps off a bridge, U should too…

    I’m pointing out that there is no difference among major college football fan bases. It’s everywhere. It’s the same at Texas, UF, FSU, Tennessee, UGA, Alabama, EVERYWHERE! Even BYU and Utah. BY-freaking-U! Those folks can be awful. Just Sayin… and yes, I know some personally.

    It’s not just Miami. That’s the point.

  168. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    And to add what I just said…would the one criticizing say the same thing to the player/coaches face???

  169. and my advice…

    I think one of our coaches said this at some point…

    If you don’t like the spotlight and the criticism that comes with it, go play for Eastern Michigan.

    I agree sometimes the criticism can be over-the-top sometimes, but like I said earlier, the commentary here has been fair. No one is pulling against our team. At least not here.

  170. Well maybe so Mike but this is no longer entertaining or pleasurable. It is just bashing, not really even criticism and it certainly is not constructive.

  171. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    miamimike01 says:
    October 17, 2010 at 8:22 PM

    I think all the criticism considered, the answer lies in a little of both. Lack of execution and situational play calling.

    But one thing, and Randy commented on this after Regis’ INT return. Why wasn’t he absolutely mobbed?

    I think these guys aren’t having fun, and it shows in their lack of emotion. It’s too stoic for college kids. I think they’re so afraid to make a mistake, they’re playing stiff.
    —————————————-
    the players arent having fun and you gather that because Regis wasnt mobbed when got his pic 6?

    Really?

    Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  172. I lived in S. Florida and have LOVED EVERYTHING about Miami since I was 12 years old. I LOVE the Miami Hurricanes but I hate The U. I explained that last week. I hope the Miami Hurricanes show up Saturday and NOT The U, but The U has been the one coming as of late. As I said on the show, we’ve had 6 weeks of the same thing on offense. Even longer if you count back to the games we played horrible last year. Our MO is we let teams we should annihihalate hange around and then we beat them because we have more talent. Teams with comparable talent and coaching USUALLY take us to the wood shed. That is the pattern and I’ve watch CFB long enough to say I don’t see that chaning this weekend. You don’t know HOW much it hurt me to do that. I told Este I was going to say no comment during predictions he said, no bro speak from your heart, you have too. So I did. Please don’t question my loyalty because this is not a loyalty issue, just what I see. I said after FSU we are in TROUBLE. What are you guys not seeing? Its ok to objectionally critical, NOT OK to be a 100% negative nancy. I’d like to think I’m the first.

  173. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Quoting ESPN’s Heather Dinich
    “Ok, so it’s not that bad — the ACC has two teams ranked in the top 25. Florida State is No. 17 and Virginia Tech is No. 25. Here’s how the rest of the league fared:

    No. 27 Miami
    No. 28 North Carolina
    No. 35 Georgia Tech
    No. 36 NC State (Small victory: It’s ahead of No. 38 East Carolina) ”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/16981/acc-an-afterthought-in-bcs-standings

  174. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Don’t get me wrong I’m sure this staff/and players have had worse things said to them…and u right Mike most of what is written here is fair but some folks here and other places have NOTHING good to say even after a win!

  175. Bg

    Don’t ever be ashamed to call it like you see it.

    This shyte is what it is until proven otherwise.

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  176. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Canes beat UNC,as i suspect they will, they crack the BCS net week!

  177. Besides Captain O, and we all know how you feel fella, who here is bashing?

    If you disagree with play calling, formations, personnel groupings, or have concerns about the team’s execution and emotion, its bashing?

    If that’s how you honestly feel, I understand. I also understand I can’t change your mind, but I respect your opinion.

    Honestly, I think you’re confusing criticism and bashing. But again, that’s my opinion.

  178. Honestly, I think you’re confusing criticism and bashing. But again, that’s my opinion.

    ^^^This^^^

  179. I criticize them because I love them and I CARE. If I didn’t why would I say ANYTHING. People always get it twisted. The people who AREN’T always going to pat you on the back and tell you its ok are the people who really care. Believe I love Miami and I hope like hell I’m wrong about Saturday. I would LOVE to go on the show next week and say I’m estatic the Canes proved me wrong. ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!

  180. Bahama, just an example. It’s much larger than that.

    And yeah, I don’t think they’re having fun. Based on everything I’ve seen since the middle of last year.

  181. avatar
    Nashvillecane says:

    Bg what u said is very true about the pattern that this offense ha shown over the last 7-8 games BUT WHO gets most of the stones and venom thrown at them??? The hc and the qb!!! Only a few like you, Calvin, and Cav have even called out whipple!

  182. Bg ain’t neva lied!!!

    GO CANEZ!!!!!

  183. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    LOL C1 your killin me. I knew youd come at that fool hard as hell saw it comin from a mile away just a matter of when. He’s not gona get away with comin on here and tlkin shyt on u like that callin u little canez1. Thats a punk move.

    What do u gotta say yawl!! LOL

  184. If you incessantly say the same thing over and over it becomes bashing. I know everyone has lost faith that is fine but how many times can you say it?

    Anyway I sure hope they win out but they may not, changes may need to be made but I will never root for my team to lose or pick against them to lose. I suppose no one went to games during the probation period? Angry and I went to lots and we lost lots but I still went as soon as i came back from Cali.

  185. pick against them to win

  186. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Regis was mobbed from what i remember, maybe not like ray rays pick 6 but he had 4 5 players round him

  187. Philly the Eagles have a QB situation? I am sure most teams would like to have that kind of situation.

  188. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Oh yea CC, a great situation we have brewing here! Vick will be starting and rightfully so. Both QBs have proven to be quite capable. Though thats exciting news, its not as exciting as the Phillies… GO PHILS!

  189. I am going for Cody Ross and the Giants. Good game tonight!

  190. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Really?? Boooo haha. Its always fun to the root for the underdog. Its becoming the pitchers duel that last night was supposed to be with Doc and Big Time Timmy Jim. You think Canes fans are bad.. this is a must win, if we lose it will get ugly here and that is a gaurantee

  191. I love this friiggin blog! The best blog i’ve ever read! I love to hear two guys that are polar opposites debate.

    Truth(pessimist) vs Cavaleer(optimist)

    Both call it how they “see it” and make very great points.

    Truth & canez1 are what you call BRUTALLY honest. All those guys care about is facts forget intention. Hey, there is nothing wrong with that.

    Both truth and Canez1 have an ol’ skool Cane attitude!!!

  192. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    FFFFFFFFFF replay of last night

  193. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    CC u jinxed us!!!!

  194. Cody, Cody, Cody!

  195. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    Me too, canechic. I was so sad when the Marlins put Cody on waivers. He was one of my favorite players. :(

    For those of you who worry the team isn’t having fun, check out the interviews on hurricanesports.com after the Duke game. As soon as ANY of the defenders were asked about the Regis pick six, they’d start cracking up. Apparently Regis has been giving the cbs some advise on how to intercept the ball. Pretty funny stuff.

    http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/101610aab.html

  196. Yep I know philly fan is hardcore

  197. Respectfully, canechic, bg is the LAST (with respect to our very own JSQ) person I question about their fandom.

    I’ve learned some objectivity since we started in March. Blind homerism can be tolerated only so long.

    In our respective positions, you can’t be a blanket homer or U lose credibility.

  198. Hey guys, sorry to be MIA. Been volunteering, baking, and running the game watch (which actually had a better turnout than Clemson!).

    I share everyone’s frustration. I think it all comes from LOVE for this team. I slave away for UM thinking that what I do for the alumni club could increase our ranking (the US News and World Report evaluates schools by alumni involvement and donations), that my game watches will make people support the team more and get to home games, that cooking every night of the week to throw the best tailgate ever will help them win, that running a ‘Canes fan site with my esteemed partner will somehow make a difference.

    Last Saturday, I was literally and figuratively slapped in the face. The injury from the fat man-handed criminole skank has healed, but the ‘Canes have still left my heart broken. I literally cried to my mother on Monday and asked her how I was supposed to find the strength and spirit to continue to support this team how I do. I mean, heck, I had Junior Leaguers I barely know coming up to me today telling me they are sorry for my loss like I had a family member die. And that’s what it feels like. To put it in Canez1’s words, I was punched in the [cupcakes]. Because I wanted to believe in this team more than anything. And maybe I wasn’t seeing reality.

    But the game watch still went on. Our site continues. I am still going to the Randy Shannon alumni luncheon in a few weeks. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, will stop my love for the ‘Canes, and I think you all feel the same way. We just want to see them succeed because they are as much a part of us as our arms, our legs, or more accurately, our hearts.

    I don’t blame anyone for the criticism of this team. I was very disappointed by Saturday.

    However, I think that some that don’t know y’all personally (there are probably only 5 of you I haven’t met) could read what some of you are saying and take it the wrong way. I know where Canez1 and bg are coming from and you guys are my boys and sometimes you say what I can’t or don’t want to. Canechic, I feel like we are expressing the same thing, that we want them to do well, but it doesn’t matter if they are 0-12, we will still go to games and cheer them on because this team is a part of us.

    With that, I only have one thing left to say:

    There will be jello shots and cupcakes at the UNC tailgate.

    Because in the words of REO Speedwagon: I’m gonna keep on lovin’ []_[]

  199. Well Mike I am not a blanket homer and I have criticized these kids and some coaching but I have never rooted against the canes, even when I knew they would lose.

    But if my support of the canes makes me a blanket homer than so be it…..I am fine with that!

  200. avatar
    pb(EOTHROH10) says:

    The reality is we suck.

    Until we beat NC then we are title contenders.

    Unless we lose to NC.

    Then we suck.

    Until we beat VT.

    Unless we lose to VT.

    Then we suck.

  201. avatar
    KLCaneFan says:

    There will be jello shots and cupcakes at the UNC tailgate.

    Hurray!!!

  202. Glad you had fun today Mary. I love volunteering it is so rewarding. Nicole was feeling real down on Friday (missing mommy) and she worked the walk for cure at bayfront park on Sat…..she called me elated about holding the ribbon for the survivors. I told her once she did her volunteering she would feel so much better :)

  203. Yeah, KL, I figure it might be good for us to be sedated during that game!

    Juuuuuuusssst kidding.

    I just think our fans have suffered enough. I’m not going to add insult to injury.

    Erika will have her punch and is making some food.

    I will be grilling.

    It will be good.

    This team can’t hold my tailgates back!

    Juuuuuuuuuuusssst kidding! ;-)

    This place needs to lighten up!!!

    Hey Truth, I have to frost some cupcakes tomorrow night. I hear you are good at that sort of thing.

  204. cc, you misunderstood me. I wasn’t calling anyone a homer. Fans are supposed to be.

    What I meant was, people like bg and myself, who interact with a larger college football community, can’t be blanket homers. EOTH was written about in an article for our homerism in the first blogpoll and I took everyone’s votes. We won the Homerism Award for our preseason poll.

    When I write for Phil Steele, I have to be as objective as possible (although my homerism has crept in a few times). It’s one of the requirements for being affiliated with him. Also a requirement is not being overly negative. When we gained that affiliation, our overall support and objectivity won us that link.

    Picking UNC to win is not negative or bashing. It’s an objective opinion based on current circumstances. That’s what I meant.

  205. I feel the same way, Canechic. And I especially love working with kids. It is hard to be sad when you are around little kids. No matter what you are doing, volunteering helps you take a step back from yourself and what you perceive as problems and gain some perspective. I’m glad Nicole is feeling better. I still call my mommy crying because I miss her sometimes and I am 10 years older than her! :-)

  206. I think the problem with the FSU game is that I didn’t have a single jello shot…

    I was so overwhelemed with the crowds (and KLjr wandering around in them) that I barely drank anything at all!

    We’ll have to correct that for UNC. :O

  207. It is all good Mike. I am over it and I guess I am a homer cuz I am just a cane fan and nothing I do makes me look at the canes that objectively, lol!

    I just want to enjoy my cane games and tailgates. Should be nice on Saturday because the crowd will be much better!

  208. Indeed, KL.

    I had enough to drink at FSU that I had a pretty good time and was in good spirits (my homerism told me we would make a comeback) until all the butch criminole skank started knocking me around.

    At least the game gave me some funny stories!

    No matter what, we will have fun on Saturday.

    I will not walk out of that stadium on Saturday like I did in 2008, where people I don’t know stopped and asked me if I was okay.

  209. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Bennie V and UChamps, the ONLY thing Whipple can possibly say in his favor is that this is only his 2nd year in this offense. But I still find it difficult to believe that we can’t put as many points on the board, execution and all, as Wake Forest, who is running a full on option, a totally new offense….

    And whoever said that about J12’s first game against Duke was spot on. He was actually HAVING FUN. I don’t think he’s had fun since this point last year. Maybe USF.

    Like I said before, maybe it’s all going to come together….

  210. Canechic, the great thing about the team not playing well is less traffic, shorter lines for the bar and bathroom, and you can pretty much sit wherever you want!

    And I doubt I will be physically assaulted by any Tarheels!

    Just trying to be silver lining, guys!

  211. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Randy, Whipple, Jacory’s alleged suckage aside…..

    Canes have their traditional “One Game Where They Put It All Together” game on Sat.

    In SPITE of all the parties that supposedly suck within this program…..

  212. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    I personally am over the FSU game. My problem is with the continued sputtering of the offense that really became clear to me in the 2nd half against PItt and in the 1st and 2nd halves of Clemson, and has only gone downhill since then.

    When Whipple runs 3, 4 and 5 consecutive passing plays it makes me wonder what the hell is his goal?? Is it just to run passing plays and throw in a few runs so the stats sheets look good or is he just not interested in orchestrating an offense, cause when you run well, you should be able to pass well and without much angst.

    But after re-watching the Duke game, I’m going to take an OPTIMISTIC view of all this and say the offense is a work in progress and we’re ironing out the rough spots against lesser teams so that we’re more prepared for the better teams.

    That goes for J12, the OL AND Whipple.

  213. @ Cavaleer —

    We shouldn’t have had to do anything fancy against Duke to put up points. Playing mere backyard football SHOULD have been enough.

    It is SO very obvious to me that last years team and the 2008 team were HUNGRY. They were young, they were still learning, they were suffering the effects of new coordinators left and right, but they were hungry.

    And they had fun when they were on the field.

    Jacory MADE a Patrick Nix offense work. He made it work better than he’s made a Whipple offense look in what’s supposed to be it’s second year of progression — and we have the audacity to knock Nix? Nix’s offenses were horrid — but he ran some tricky messed up stuff from time to time that kept us in games.

    It is CLEAR to me that Jacory isn’t worried about his job.. With Marve in the system he was CLEARLY better than he is now. I’m not knocking him though, he had a decent game last weekend, and a decent game against FSU.

    Our offense just disappoints me. Seven turnovers and the best we can do is 28 points? Any team with a defense is going to make it a bitch. I can only imagine how what is supposed to be our “revenge game” against Virginia Tech is going to look this year now that Bud Foster has his team in rhythm..

  214. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    Cap’n is phuckin wit’ me, I see……

  215. I can elaborate.

    When I did my preseason predictions I predicted the Canes would go 11-1, 10-2 at the worse. That was assuming the Defense improved as we thought it would because of better DL play (Check) and assuming the offense would be even better than it was last year when it was really clicking (no check). The offense is the major problem on this team. They have not carried their weight. The team that is doing what I thought we’d do is Auburn. They can score on anyone and in bunches. Their D is good not great and makes plays. They played Arkansas this weekend and gave up 43 pts! BUT the offense scored 60+. That’s what I expected out of us. Like a game vs FSU, ok, they scored a lot but I thought so can we. That is not happening now and I’ve seen enough of the offense to know that J12 ONLY has faith in #85 and #3. He RARELY looks at anyone else. I KNOW hat #20 is going to run hard and make the most of his opportunities. I know that #6 will be under used and will have to try and do most of his damage on special teams. I know #5 will get limited carries and will be used mostly in passing situations. Our offense is predictable, sloppy, undisciplined, and worst of all turnover prone.

    I don’t say that because I am a HATER or being OVERLY negative about the Canes. I say that because that is what I SEE weekend and week out. I’m sorry but we have to take a real honest look and assesment of what we have and we have a team that potentially COULD be good, but is VASTLY UNDER ACHIEVING!

    That’s 100% real and from my Green and Orange Heart!

  216. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Sh!thead, it could come together IF a couple of things happen to some degree.

    1) Whipple stops going pass, pass, pass, run, run, run, especially when the passes are coming from the shotgun or J12 under center with an empty backfield.

    Now MAYBE they were trying to work on this ridiculous play against Duke, so that’s why we saw it so much.

    2) The OL stops blowing assignments in run-blocking assignments

    3) J12 and the WR stop letting each other down with slightly off passes and drops. It works and has worked both ways this year.

    If any combination of those three things happens, we’ll win out, comfortably.

  217. http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

    1) OU
    2) Oregon
    3) BSU
    4) Auburn
    5) TCU

    I hate ESPN. Their “guru” had BSU by a wide margin last night. Just goes to show their agenda this year pushing the Broncos.

  218. Benny V bring up the point of the night.

    Who cant score on Duke? Whip should have been able to run anything he wanted …

  219. Mary I will put frosting where ever you like…

    anything to help the tailgate cause, of course

  220. CC

    Understand. I have a JOB to do when I’m on the radio show. I have to call it like I see it. Be objective. It has nothing to do with who I root for. I’ll NEVER cheer for ANY team to beat Miami. I honestly, and Esteban can vouch for this, was not going to give a prediction. I was going to say no comment, but he reminded me we hav ea JOB to do on the air and I said what I feel. I hope I’m wrong. I do and NO MATTER WHAT, I’m wearing Canes gear and cheering for the Canes 4 EVER WIN LOSE OR DRAW. I’m as Cane as Cane can be without even having went to the Univ. of Miami. PLEASE BELIEVE IT!

  221. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Go Canes!

  222. bg you know I love you and I know you are being objective. I see things I do not like either but my goodness the negativity is just over the top!

    Go Canes!

  223. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    I’ve seen enough of the offense to know that J12 ONLY has faith in#85 and #3. He RARELY looks at anyone else. I KNOW hat #20 is going to run hard and make the most of his opportunities. I know that #6 will be under used and will have to try and do most of his damage on special teams. I know #5 will get limited carries and will be used mostly in passing situations. Our offense is predictable, sloppy, undisciplined, and worst of all, turnover prone……
    -bg

    And if you can’t see THAT, then you are indeed a sheepish moron. That much is evident.

    And that Skins Cheerleader they just showed, was BAD.

  224. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    canechic says:
    October 17, 2010 at 10:37 PM

    bg you know I love you and I know you are being objective. I see things I do not like either but my goodness the negativity is just over the top!

    Go Canes!
    ——————————————
    Canechic, i guess only me and U see it.

  225. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Bennie V, if you have ESPN3 go back and watch this Duke game again. If you look at Shannon’s demeanor on the sideline it’s like he’s watching an experiment to see what it does under certain conditions. He didn’t appear remotely concerned with the outcome hence all the 4th down passing attempts with J12 under center and an empty backfield.

    If you look at the Duke game as an exercise, a glorified scrimmage, almost the way NFL teams are in pre-season, the playcalling and such make more sense.

    They put the OL in a lot of solo pass-protection situations and one on one run-blocking situations against a team that blitzes a ton. NOT a bad idea if you have UNC and VT coming down the road and you have a green, NOT jelled OL.

    That’s the ONLY sense I can make of it.

    J12 looked decent in the game really. He stared down his receivers too much but he also made some good reads. He had some good throws and some bad ones. He threw scared off his backfoot way too often but he only had one arguably interceptable ball. He threw too much to Chase Ford if you ask me. Chase never seems to be able to get open. Maybe that’s why Cleveland came in and he LOOKED GOOD.

    He made a very good audible when he was under center and moved back into the shotgun and completed a slant to Byrd for a 1st down or near first down.

    The problem was the continuity and consistency. We didn’t convert many 3rd downs and no 4th downs, granted we called basic plays that were easily defended. WRs dropped too many balls in the 1st, Hank and Ford primarily.

    That’s why I say, IF and when this offense comes together with the OL and WRs, it’ll be lights out.

  226. Just finished my last legal brief and now I am off to bed. Have a great night guys and don’t forget to tell your Mom, Dad, Hubby, Wife, Son, Daughter, cat, dog and fish you love them very much!

  227. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Its going to be interesting to see how much more PT Asante and Cain get. From everything i have read they did some good things against Duke.
    I hope they build on that against UNC and solidify those spots.

    If we can get some production out of the TE in the 2nd half that will very good for this offense and J-12!

  228. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    MM01, OU is not #1. Maybe in the top five but definitely not #1.

    To me, thus far Oregon has proven the most, without question. BSU and TCU are solid but I just couldn’t give them credit when they only play ONE legit team a year.

    They probably wouldn’t even beat VT right now.

  229. Thanks Bahama I think we are on an island by ourselves, lol!

  230. avatar
    Sh!tHead McDonald says:

    One more return TD, and Anytime Hester is officially the greatest of all time. NFL Network already thinks he is.

    Bg, I’m thinking we call Phil Dorsett either “P Diddy” or “Every Time.” I need you to co-signs on something with me……

  231. Thanks, Truth, such a giver.

    Hey Sh!thead, lay off the moron talk before I throw a jello shot at you!

  232. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Bahama they both looked better than the people in front of them. Significantly better if you ask me. Cain looked like a natural, still young but he has the speed and tackling ability that you expect from a Canes LB. He had 9 tackles a force fumble, a sack, a QB hurry and a fumble recovery.

    He did blow some plays of course but no more than C-Mac.

    Cleveland looked fluid, confident and he CAUGHT the two balls that came his way. And he somehow wasn’t surrounded by defenders like Chase. Maybe J12 stares down Chase but it seems like he’s never really open.

  233. No need to apologize for calling it like you see it bg, your eyes are not lying to you. Unless something changes on offense, the problem is, like nix, and at least we all knew what nix’s favorite play was, wide receiver screens. but like nix, whipple has nothing solid to fall back on when games get tuffer. The thing is, we haven’t even played against the better defensive teams yet. Congratulations to micanor, but when your defensive tackle/regis has scored the same amount of points in the 2nd half as the offense, something is wrong with that.

    I’ve seen better plays run in highschool games that are executed better than what whipple is running right now. The biggest problem shannon has right now is that he’s hired 2 oc’s who run weak offenses when pressured. What is damien berry’s strongest running play, when things get tuff, don’t try and run a stretch play with berry. This is the 2nd year in a row i’ve seen whipple start calling stretch running plays all of a sudden near the middle of the season. One thing about this offense, which ever way the play starts out going, that’s normally the way the offense is going to continue to go, no misdirection plays, etc. etc.

    At least whipple has enuff plays in his playbook where he can sit down and realize what are the strong offensive plays and what are the ones tostay away from that are negative. To me, whipple is a victim of Miami’s offensive history, he wants to be known as the oc who got Miami’s offensive back to being explosive how it use to be back in the day, but he’s trying to hard and not doing it. If he settles down, and start going over film, and personnel, etc. etc. He’d be a much better oc, against unc, what will be his offensive game plan. Each week, we don’t know what we’re going to get from whipple and the offense because we don’t know what formations, like here’s an example.

    Why are we throwing flare out passes to damien berry, where we lose a yard, that’s not a high percentage play with lamar miller’s speed, so why are we throwing that to damien berry.

    All i know is, jacory harris is a real good qb, i’m riding with em, i know aldarius johnson is still a baller, i know lamar miller may make a bug diference against unc, especially if he’s used correctly, we don’t need pat hill in the game as much as he is, he’s a good blocker, but teams don’t respect anything else he brings to the table, but he does need to get the ball a lil more, so teams will have to honor him out their on that field.

    The FAMU game bothered me, from what i saw of this offense, nothing impressed me in that game offensively. Defensively, i know ray ray makes sure it’s known he’s on that field. The way he comes up and tackles, i luv how he popped the hell out of that wide-out for duke who have to go to the sidelines, ray ray will make guys pay out their. By the way, has anybody seen dyron dye lately, what the hell happened to him.

  234. I am wading in the water on the beach of the island CC and BC are on.

  235. McDonald.

    We got to work on a name. P Diddy…NAH! HA!

  236. I can say I ride with bg in that I am speaking about this stuff because I care…

    I LOVE this team and the players. i support J12 100%…im just not making excuses for him like saying the OC this and the OC that.

    I know football…it ain;t the OC at this point. Maybe its a small part, but the offense needs a ride or die attitude and it aint there. For whatevr the reason.

    My ass will be in my seat saturday supporting this team. i NEVER boo I ALWAYS have hope and I will FOREVER be a Cane…

  237. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:
    October 17, 2010 at 10:23 PM

    I personally am over the FSU game. My problem is with the continued sputtering of the offense that really became clear to me in the 2nd half against PItt and in the 1st and 2nd halves of Clemson, and has only gone downhill since then.

    When Whipple runs 3, 4 and 5 consecutive passing plays it makes me wonder what the hell is his goal?? Is it just to run passing plays and throw in a few runs so the stats sheets look good or is he just not interested in orchestrating an offense, cause when you run well, you should be able to pass well and without much angst.

    Cav, if you have followed the Eagles for the past 3-5 years this wouldnt be a surprise. We used to pass for 3 yards on first down and just consider it our standard 1st down run

  238. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:
    October 17, 2010 at 10:49 PM

    Bahama they both looked better than the people in front of them. Significantly better if you ask me. Cain looked like a natural, still young but he has the speed and tackling ability that you expect from a Canes LB. He had 9 tackles a force fumble, a sack, a QB hurry and a fumble recovery.

    He did blow some plays of course but no more than C-Mac.

    Cleveland looked fluid, confident and he CAUGHT the two balls that came his way. And he somehow wasn’t surrounded by defenders like Chase. Maybe J12 stares down Chase but it seems like he’s never really open.
    —————————————————
    I think Chase needs more time to adjust to D1 level of football. I know he caught everything in JUCO, but this aint JUCO.

    If he and Asante are the real deal, next yr the Canes will have 2 TE beasts.

  239. And i actually think the offense is getting close…don’t laugh

    And when they do get it together…lawda mercey

  240. me, too, Truth.

    I can’t imagine rooting for another team.

  241. I root for other teams all the time… Whomever is playing the crocs!!!

  242. I agree bahama…the kid is clearly talented but i don’t think hes caught up to the speed of this level

    And you guys forget that Shockey was a junior transfer too and didn;t have his breakout game until FSU…it took him a while also’

    Its that revisionists hisyory we sometimes suffer from

  243. UM had 448 yards total offense, 224 rushing and passing. The numbers are there. Over 800, close to 900 total yards offense, including FSU.

    Did you guys read who J12 and Berry joined this week in regards to their performances?

    Some of the best to ever walk the halls at Hecht.

    I ain’t laughin…

  244. Im with JSQ…I root for who ever plays Floriduh, OSU and Notredame

    And I root HARD

    I alos root for South Carolina…I like Spurrier, gayturd and all

    At least he admited he wanted no part of Miami

  245. JSQ, I stand corrected.

    and we’re on a three game winning streak! Woo Hoo!

  246. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    I know that #6 will be under used and will have to try and do most of his damage on special teams. I know #5 will get limited carries and will be used mostly in passing situations. Our offense is predictable, sloppy, undisciplined, and worst of all, turnover prone……
    -bg

    And if you can’t see THAT, then you are indeed a sheepish moron. That much is evident.

    And that Skins Cheerleader they just showed, was BAD.

    >>>>>>>>>>

    Sh!thead, #5 got some good burn running in the 1st half and I expect to see much more of him as the season continues. He’s almost as strong as Berry and more explosive. He hits the hole faster than Berry. I don’t think Berry’s really comfortable with the extra muscle he’s added yet. It make take a year or two for him to get his explosiveness back.

    #6 is going to light up a lot of people before this season is over. Shannon’s letting him rest and heal fully so that the shoulder doesn’t become chronic. It’s a smart move.

    Otherwise, you’re right. Waaayyyy too many mistakes, drops and bad passes.

    But I will say this, as they improve on all these mistakes, this offense is going to start grooving.

    The addition of Cain, especially getting burn against Duke, is a very, very good thing. UNC’s offense isn’t nearly as complicated as Duke’s. It’s bigger, stronger and more physical, which will be good to have C-Mac back to handle some of the pounding but I expect Cain to play well against them in the running game.

    The real key to this game will be our DL getting off blocks. If they can disengage the OL block’s, we’ll handle the LOS and really shut them down.

    Now if J12 takes the shorter, easier to catch and throw routes 70% of the time on his passes, we’ll be fine.

  247. Sorry for my typing…I promise Im not drunk

  248. With spurrier how do you not like a guy that will get up to a podium and MAKE FUN of ther biggest rival (at the time)

    I love that guy!!

    “Cant spell citrus without UT”

  249. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    bg1906 says:
    October 17, 2010 at 10:26 PM

    I can elaborate.

    BG that right there is exactly how I feel and the DAMN TRUTH!!… from the heart too.. Preach on brotha

  250. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    PB, apologies if I was harsh earlier. I’ve just been frustrated with the sputtering on offense for a while.

  251. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    The Truth
    October 17, 2010 at 11:00 PM
    And i actually think the offense is getting close…don’t laugh

    And when they do get it together…lawda mercey

    >>>>>>>

    Truth, if the OL really gets it together in run and pass-blocking and J12 and the WRs get on the right sheet of music, it’s going to be explosive indeed.

    I hope my theory about Duke being a mid-season scrimmage is true.

  252. avatar
    PhillyCane says:

    BG what was ur prediction

  253. I’ll NEVER repeat this as long as I live…

    When UM was on probation ( I was in HS, living in TN. Cookeville, which is like two hours from Knox ) we pulled ( Randy and I ) for the Gators b/c it upset all my buddies on the football team and Dad’s coworkers.

    This was before the internet exploded and ESPN3. UM wasn’t on TV, couldn’t read about them; its like they didn’t exist. I was lucky to read a one paragraph summary of any game.

    But yeah, we’re Spurrier fans here, too.

  254. cain showed up, when he blitzed he blitzed with confidence, when he tackled he tackled with confidence. it was just good to see a defender making alot of open field. solo tackles.

    This team is not scared of unc, and like all teams we play, at least we will throw deep irregardless of who we play against. unc just like any team will get tested deep, but whipple has seemed to like good play design, he showed alot of good things like year, like that drive against oklahoma, where are those plays this year, where he dragged aldarius behind the line of scrimmage and got the ball to em. Anyway, likei said at the begining of the year, i’m not worried about the defense, it’s the offense that bothers me.

  255. Philip Buchanon playing his Cane ass off!

  256. I grew up a Miami fan in Tally, so how could you not like the old ball coach. Especially that 52-20 beat down that he gave Bobby in the Sugar bowl.

    Truth, or anbody who knows
    I am heading up to Asheville tomorrow. What are the best spots to check out the fall foliage and most importantly get some good grub?

  257. Tight end has been such a poor position for us this year.

    Chase Ford can’t get any kinda’ separation and if he does, he drops the damn ball. Andrew Tallman and Asante Cleveland need to see the field.. They’re no smaller than Richard Gordon who’s a useless waste and does nothing more than get personal foul penalties called against him.

    If our tight ends become more active our offense will fire a LOT better. Like, I’m quite confident it could actually become IMPRESSIVE.. Just think of how many passes Jimmy Graham and Dedrick Epps caught last year..

    Whipple hasn’t even TRIED to incorporate the tight ends into any plays. Remember against Georgia Tech last year? That nasty block and release play Epps had for a touchdown? Oklahoma? Florida State? Tight ends were active, Graham was CRUCIAL on third downs. Throw it close to him (after the VT game of course) and it was almost a garaunteed catch.

    It amazes me though, all that hype about Ford.. Only to have Asante Cleveland come in the game and make back to back completions with defenders nowhere on his heels.

    Aaaaand am I the only one that thinks Mike James should possibly be #2 on the depth chart PERIOD? Regardless of Lamar Miller? He might not have the top end Lamar Miller has but his first step is almost at full speed and people don’t try to tackle him straight up.. He’s almost identical to Berry in stature but is flat out faster.

  258. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    CC, always giving us perspective. haha

  259. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Benny, Ford didn’t have that much hype. I think Shannon was trying to build his confidence drawing similarities with Shockey. Ford’s not running good routes and he can’t hold on to the ball.

    Cleveland, OTOH, looked the business, caught both balls and looked very confident doing it.

    And yes, I’m with you on Mike James. Berry is stiffer and slower to accelerate than James. James has moves, power and is more explosive. And he looks HONGRY!! Not that Berry isn’t but you like to see a RB get hyped after a good run.

    It’s a good rotation, the three of them. Let Berry be the banger, although I’d like to see them in the game together. That’s be dynamite, a split backfield with them in it.

  260. That pass McNab just threw is the picture of what is wrong with Miami’s offense.

    Yes, there was a deep rout. Was it option 1? Maybe. Was it open? No. Was there a better choice? Yes, the TE all alone for the first down.

    Did mcnab see that? Probably. Was he told during the week to check down if the long ball wasn’t there? Yes

    Did he do it? No

    Game over.

  261. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Cal, I watched the Duke game again and I’m developing a theory that Shannon and Whipple actually used this game like a scrimmage, an experiment to test out the offense and really put the players in tough situations against a blitzing team.

    It’s the only explanation for Shannon’s decisions to go for it on 3rd and 4th down with J12 under center-empty backfield, even in the 1stQ, or to go for it and call a single RB run play.

    I think he has no concerns whatsoever about Duke’s offense. That’s why Cutcliffe said that at halftime. Cutcliffe knew what was up to some degree.

    I’m looking at this O like it’s a work in progress. Maybe it does require a couple of years to really get everything together. That could explain the weird playcalling and the apparent regression of J12. He’s stepping things up a notch and struggling a little.

    Your thoughts…

  262. avatar
    Captain Optimist aka Cavaleer says:

    Truth, very good point. So what’s your solution for training J12 NOT to do that?

  263. Well those are the pro’s, we’re talking college football, somehow i think whipple’s mindset is to treat them like they’ll be in the nfl one day, and that’s all fine an dandy, but there still is a learning process at this stage of the game. Just because jacor has a lot of individual talent and alot of talent around him, doesn’t mean whip can keep asking a college kid to do some of the same things pro’s don’t execute on a regular basis all the time.

    Good point, maybe that;s why whipple doesn’t talk to jacory in between series, wants him to feel like he’s in the pro’s already.

  264. cav, that’s just the positive way to look at it, but we saw what happened against osu and fsu, we’ll see what this oc has in store for unc this year.

  265. PhillyCane says:
    October 17, 2010 at 11:16 PM
    BG what was ur prediction

    27-24 Tarheels

  266. ^^^:-(^^^

    :-/

  267. Just a little pick me up….have a great day my friends!

    “All the adversity I’ve had in my life, all my troubles and obstacles, have strengthened me… You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.”

    Walt Disney

  268. avatar
    The Truth says:

    I LOVE that cc…great way to start the day!

  269. avatar
    The Truth says:

    Calvin

    All that may sound good, but football is football. More than that, asking a QB to peek at a coverage and make a decision between two guys starts in HS. Asking Jacory to do that isn’t an “NFL” thing…

    The point has to come when the player understands his abilities and directs them through the offense.

    Checking down to a shorter rout just isn’t that difficult. But changing your mindset is.

    I happen to love Jacory’s killer instinct. I really like him as a player. If he cleaned up his mistakes I think he’d be amazing.

    But he needs to change his approach to this game and to his team.

    We can go back and forth all day about play calling but the bottom bottom line is, if there’s a deep guy covered (and almost every pass play in earth has a deep rout of some kind) then the QB HAS to make the decision to dump it elsewhere.

    All you guys going on about obvious pass plays and yada

  270. avatar
    The Truth says:

    …yada aren’t actually at the game watching these WR’s WIDE OPEN. You aren’t seeing that on TV.

    The QB HAS to be able to get the ball to those guys no matter if it’s obvious or not. The play may be predictable, I don’t think it’s so obvious, but the fact is the plays are there to be made…

    And that ain’t happening.

    Anyone on here going to the games, sitting in the stands will agree 1000%. The plays are THERE

  271. avatar
    JerseyCanes says:

    My Cane Bretheren…

    Rutgers’ Eric Legrand – A Former youth Player , Neighbor, and close friend of mine, suffered a neck injury in the Rutgersgame that you probably heard or seen by now. Please keep your thoughts and prayers with him.

    Growing up Miami was Eric’s favorite team (maybe he was influenced a little) and was even recruited by Miami. I know If he could ge some well wishes form the CaneNation he would be really appreciative.

    Please use these links: http://www.scarletknights.com/football/eric/getwell.asp

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Thoughts-and-prayers-for-Eric-LeGrand/104874682913204

    JerseyCanes

  272. avatar
    hurricanedave69 says:

    Jersey….thanks for the links……..my thoughts and prayers are for Eric Legrand

    I”m a NJ Cane originally from Millville, NJ ….Praying that Eric makes a full recovery!

  273. avatar
    BahamaCane says:

    Canes will beat UNC!

    23-13 Canes!

  274. avatar
    CANEZILLA says:

    Anybody think miami will ever switch to the spread? 5 wide,shotgun with the linebackers trying to cover our slot wr”s?I would like to see it at least three time a game. Cant we just use it part time?PLAEASE?2 MUCH SPEED FOR ANY D TO HANDLE!!!

  275. New blog up!

  276. And Canez…I was just reading back and hopefully I cam help you calm down just a little about the decommit

    What’s MNW’s record this year? What was it last year? Did they win state or something? Are they going to win it this year?

    Their OL sucks and they have no running game and the WR isn’t exactly tearing things up…

    But he’s going to remark about a team he committed to because things aren’t stellar ?

    And you’re upset that kid ain’t coming? I’m not going to get into the specifics…I ain’t doing that here anymore, but I know you know there’s more to it than this…

    These kids have lost their minds. The message boards and Internet sites based on recruiting have really ruined recruiting.

    You don’t think a kid like LA doesn’t play on every team in this country – a true frosh, homesick and frustrated and understanding things aren’t always so rosy?

    That’s not unique here, this year. There’s kids like that on every team RIGHT now and have been since going away to college started.

    But the difference is they have a public forum and gets all these people on these boards to wad their panties up and duck because the sky is coming down…

    It’s ridiculous. I wish they’d ban facebook too. I wish the university would put their foot down and not allow access to anything related to recruiting…as in not renew the 560 contract as long as they want to associate with Gary Ferman and Canesport.

    These opinions we share have ALWAYS been a part of football…but at the water cooler or at the bar. Not worldwide for everyone to read.

    Kids are impressionable and they take this stuff to heart. They don’t understand that it ain’t just Miami fans. And besides that, they don’t understand that this is a part of football. They aren’t mature enough to handle the outcry and the criticism and back in the day, they didn’t have to because they never had access to hear it.

    Now it’s everywhere.

    For me, this whole message board thing has become the devils playground. It’s the highway for negativity and I think it sucks. That’s why I prefer to talk about lesbos and frosting JSQ’s cupcakes. It’s too much sometimes to nitpick EVERY SINGLE THING wrong.

    I care…it’s about winning for me…but I’m not running the show so I prefer to sit back and cheer and support the program anyway I can. If Randy Shannon were a monster of a man who was terrible and bad for the university I would feel differently. But he loves this school. He loves these kids and I appreciate him and the job he’s done.

    Do I get annoyed at things…yes. But how many days of Randy sucks and the sky is falling and the 17 yr old has his panties all bunched up so we really need to focus on?

    Seriously.

    Sorry…just went on a rant. Not all directed at you Canez and I do get where you’re coming from. I just wish this fanbase had more patience for someone who, at the end of the day, wants Miami to win more than all of us put together. He knows he’s not perfect. He’s changed in a lot of ways. He’s learning on the fly and his timeline is taking longer than we hoped…it is what it is

  277. 1) I know most of us wanted to see Miami pile on Duke, but after the Florida St. game, did you really expect UM to come out pumped and excited to play Duke?

    Opinion #1) Miami was fired up to play FAMU, this should have been a game where they should have put up more points due to 7 forced turnovers. If they don’t do it against a (I don’t want to slap Duke and call them a lesser team, but it is what it is.) team that is 1-5, then they will be hard pressed to do it against a team that has a bit more talent.

    2) Does this victory instill any more confidence in Randy Shannon and the direction of the program, or are you still taking a wait and see attitude?

    Opinion #2) To me the jury is still out on the offensive scheme they run. I think Randy is good for the school and the ACC, but I think the O scheme sucks.

    3) Is Kelvin Cain the future at MLB? Did he play well enough to start versus North Carolina?

    Opinion #3) Any guy that is not a starter and plays extremely well is the future. If he came in and was beaten at every facet of his position, then you may not be posing the question if he is the Future at MLB…If RS has enough confidence in him, he will start against NC.

    4) How much confidence do you have in the defense to keep the team in games while the offense might struggle?

    Opinion #4) I have confedience in the defense against teams like Duke and Famu, maybe even Pitt… There were times against Clemson that made it appear that Miami was going to give the game away. I am not sure if it was lack of focus down the stretch or just the scheme they were running, but geeeeeeeeeezzz I had some short fingernails for a week. The defense kept Miami in the game against OSU, but man you can’t ask them to stop OSU offense when they are constalty on your side of the field…. Now the Free Shoes Uni game, the defense took a shit….

    5) How confident are you that Miami will beat North Carolina?

    Opinion #5) NC is still playing well despite their off the field issues and player suspensions.. This is going to be yet another tough game. BD knows Miami and what they are going to bring, but then again he is probably watching the UM-FSU game film again…..

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